Heh Guys (assuming you are !!)

These days "guys" applies to any gender but FYI I'm female. I've assumed Goca is male and Gem is female but I could be wrong Funny how we make these assumptions isn't it?

So Hi Gals,

Thought of being PC but couldn't be farsed.


So I've run thru my 3 charts.

And after 5 hours of Data Analysis I'm none the Wiser.

But with natal Mercury in Pisces I might not be any Wiser after several Incarnations, but Heh

VEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY IIIIIINNNNNNNNNTTTTTTTTTTEEEEEEERRRRRRRRREEEEESTING !!!!!!

Firstly, what sort of Game will it be?

It's clearly going to be tending towards a BAD game.
The 1st chart showed a tightish game.
The other 2 nothing special.
Except BAD.

So that suggests lower scores and nothing too exciting.
One team scores then defends for ever.

What is showing is luck for AC Milan.

Maybe a lucky goal, such as a penalty, and that's the game closed.

My points system gives

Liverpool Milan
+16 +14
+7 +14
+8 +9

=
+31 +37

I've got a couple of other hypothesis to test such as staning in the rain for 10 hours and measuring my temperature afterwards as an indiction of the scoring margin.

Come back to you.

No breath holding and opinions may change.

But I'd say:

Milan to win the Cup.
Lowish Score.
Game effectively ended early on.
I don't see Extra Time.

You'd feel that points to 2-1 but with the 1 coming near the end.

H.

PS Good Fun.

How disapponting....But better not waste space grumbling.

I don't usually do this well. In fact I've got the horrible feeling my luck is about to run out!

No one would believe you, you must be indeed laughing all the way to the bank. You can't lose with the Final either having betted on both sides(could be rather a clever way of not losing...)

I thought Ficina used the Moon as the key factor... Do you think the fact that the Moon in the Final chart will square Jupiter first isn't important?

And may I ask my final question for this thread(so I believe, at this moment in time)? You said you'd give favourites the AC on the neutral ground but when it's 50-50, as in this case and also FA Cup Final between Man U and Chelsea, how do you usually asign the AC? You mentioned the castle besiegement technique; are there any other methods?

I've learned so much from this thread.
Thank you Ficina, Yikkes! and Goca(who I'd bet is female as I am).

I thought Ficina used the Moon as the key factor... Do you think the fact that the Moon in the Final chart will square Jupiter first isn't important?

The Moon was the key factor in those second leg matches but only because it was angular. In the Final chart it's no use at all IMO. The square to Jup is 15 degs which I would consider far too wide to count, again IMO.

Oh Lord, I hadn't realised there was no fave in the FA Cup either! I guess you could try Goca's method and use colours. Another method which the late Sue T and also Deb (I think) preferred was to give the Asc to the team that kicks off. Obviously we won't know who that is until the game actually starts. Personally I'm not too keen on that method, but given this situation with no clear faves, then we're clutching at straws. Since you support ManU, perhaps you could try a horary, Yikkes-style

Gem, I've just had another thought. John F has said that English bookies tend to favour England and English teams when setting the odds, so we should use our common sense. Moreover, when I spoke to Corals on Monday, although they couldn't confirm at that stage who would be faves, they agreed with me that it would more than likely be Milan. So I feel that Milan are the faves and Liverpool will win. Angular Mercury beats retro Jupiter.

This doesn't help us with the FA Cup but I'd say ManU's recent form (apart from last night's glitch) is better than Chelsea's. Let's see how they get on when they play each other in the Premiership on 9 May.

"And may I ask my final question for this thread (so I believe, at this moment in time)? Thank you Ficina, Yikkes! and Goca(who I'd bet is female as I am)."

Heh Gem I hope you're NOT leaving us.

The Fun has JUST begun really.

There is a lot more to learn and a lot more Sports to infiltrate.

H.

Thank you Ficina, Yikkes! and Goca(who I'd bet is female as I am)."

Yes, you are right!

Oops! Sorry, Goca

OK I did the City v Utd Game

Genolhac 3/May/07 17.00

Incredibly tight chart.

Tense into Loosening game.
Bad Game.

City +9 Utd + 19

So Utd by at least 2 goals.

If I bet which I might then 0 - 3 to 5 to Utd.

But it's not exactly Rocket Science is it?!

Yes I do follow City before Utd.

H.

Heh Gem I hope you're NOT leaving us.

Thanks Yikkes! I was despondant yesterday and regret for having grumbled... Man U did their best under the extremely difficult circumstances. I hope your Horary on the ManU- Machester City will come true.

Ficina

agreed with me that it would more than likely be Milan. So I feel that Milan are the faves and Liverpool will win. Angular Mercury beats retro Jupiter.

Yes I'm convinced you're right. I knew Sue's idea that the team kicking off gets the AC and have looked at charts but it didn't seem to work.

Let's see how they get on when they play each other in the Premiership on 9 May.

That sounds most sensible.

In the meantime I've looked at captain Steve Gerrard's chart, whose name is almost synonymous with Liverpool(30 May 1980, Liverpool). The Moon in the noon chart is at 15 degrees 50 Sagi, so it's possible that the transiting Jupiter is on or near his natal Moon on the day of the Final. At the kick-off time, the Moon is at 1 degrees in Virgo which is exactly on his natal Jupiter at 1 Virgo sextiling his Venus at 1 Cancer, which are good signs. On the other side, his all important Mercury in Gemini( becuase he has Sun, Jupiter, Mars and Saturn in Gemini and Virgo and it is also the final dispositer of his chart), is at 27 Gemini at noon on the day he was born, is opposed by Pluto, which can be quite tough.
Without the time of birth this is almost useless but I'll be back with the managers' charts.

I got the following data from wikipedia:
Rafael Benitez, Liverpool manager, 16 April 1960, Madrid
Liverpool FC, 15 March 1892
C Ancelotti, Milan manager, 10 June 1959, Reggiolo
AC Milan, 16 December 1899, San Siro

I've used the noon charts for my judgement.
Transists which will work for Liverpool:
Benetiz has Mars at 10 Pisces 56, ruling his Sun, Mercury and Venus; the North Node will be there soon, though I don't know about his Moon at 28 Sag. Uranus howerver, will sextile the North Node of Liverpool FC at 18 Taurus on that day.

Transits which will work against Milan:
Curiously the Milan manager has Mercury at the same place as S Gerrard. The manager's Sun(18 Gemini) will be exactly squared by Uranus(the self-will gets thwarted). AC Milan has the Moon at 17 Gemini, opposed by Jupiter. This alone isn't a bad transit but as they have Chiron at 17 Sag, I think it may not be that nice.

Here is chart for final Uefa Champions leaugue, maybe someone else will be inspired to analyse it!

C Ancelotti, Milan manager, 10 June 1959, Reggiolo

Interesting, Ancelotti was born in Chinese year "Pig" too (as his team)...