Hillary Clinton does not have the configuration I am speaking of.

Her Mars and Saturn are not and did not conjoin

Her Mars and Saturn conjoined ater her birth, I stand corrected. However in her birth chart they are 7 degrees apart well within the orb many astrologers would use.

I don't use Pluto, and I don't have it on my screen, but it would have been about 14 Leo when she was born.

She is in fact critized for being too careful and scripted with her words/actions. But it is working for her.

Too careful? This is the woman that not once but many times told audiences she didn't know what she voting for when she voted for the war resolution. In fact on two occasions, she said she thought she was voting for the President's authority to send UN weapons inspectors to Iraq? Vote for me I don't pay attention in matters of war? This is careful?

Then in today's news she is quoted as saying she would negotiate with Iran and in another article she says she would use force with Iran. She isn't being too careful this week, either.

She is very controlling and micromanages, but when forced to her own devices she quickly becomes flustered. The control may be a defense mechanism. We all use them.

Tom

Tom wrote:

Hillary Clinton does not have the configuration I am speaking of.

Her Mars and Saturn are not and did not conjoin

Her Mars and Saturn conjoined ater her birth, I stand corrected. However in her birth chart they are 7 degrees apart well within the orb many astrologers would use.

I don't use Pluto, and I don't have it on my screen, but it would have been about 14 Leo when she was born.

She is in fact critized for being too careful and scripted with her words/actions. But it is working for her.

Too careful? This is the woman that not once but many times told audiences she didn't know what she voting for when she voted for the war resolution. In fact on two occasions, she said she thought she was voting for the President's authority to send UN weapons inspectors to Iraq? Vote for me I don't pay attention in matters of war? This is careful?

Then in today's news she is quoted as saying she would negotiate with Iran and in another article she says she would use force with Iran. She isn't being too careful this week, either.

She is very controlling and micromanages, but when forced to her own devices she quickly becomes flustered. The control may be a defense mechanism. We all use them.

Tom

All that is in fact very carefully calculated and scripted.

In politics, they have to be all things to all people. She is careful not to be pinned down on certain issues. She gives just enough to the left and to the right without giving either side too much amunition to use against her and when pressed for a stand, she will pick the one that will win the end game for her.

You may disagree, but the proof is in the pudding. Look who has now pulled away in the polls beyond Obama and the other nominees by just the type of behaviour that drives some people nuts. That was carefully orchestrated.

What sounds like lack of control to you may be the actually the opposite. She's playing both sides right now and has managed to move beyond playing just for the nomination to playing for the general election where she needs both sides and the middle. And its working for her.

Understanding one's motives in politics may not seem consistent or "careful", to the average non-politician or be readily apparent to everyone but there is a very careful and calculated reason for everything she sais and does.

RC

In politics, they have to be all things to all people. She is careful not to be pinned down on certain issues. She gives just enough to the left and to the right without giving either side too much amunition to use against her and when pressed for a stand, she will pick the one that will win the end game for her.

So she's not honest about what she believes and being a calculating liar is what put her ahead in the polls. Very impressive. Mercury in the 12th has to mean something. Even I don't buy that, although some it is surely true. Hillary is ahead in the polls because her name is Clinton and her competition is lame. If her name were Hillary Smith with the same credentials and strategy, she wouldn't be be on the radar screen.


Tom

Tom wrote: So she's not honest about what she believes and being a calculating liar is what put her ahead in the polls.
Tom

Now Tom, I never said that. ALL politicians try to do this to some degree. She's just better at NOT mis-speaking.

She has Sun in Scorpio, Scorpio rising, Mercury and Venus also in Scorpio AND Squaring Saturn in 9th and you don't think she's careful and guarded in every word she utters? Have you known many Scorpios?

The square with Saturn gives her tone a rough sound at times and in the beginning she was highly criticized for sounding like she was shrieking just as she?s been highly criticized for being too careful with everything she says and does.

She?s managed to tone down the shrillness and the delivery is getting smoother. But smooth or not in her delivery of whatever it is, it is indeed fully measured and calculated.

However, having said that, that is not the same thing as calling her a ?liar?. I would never say that about her. There are plenty that could be said about however !

She is a sharp candidate.

Boy, we really got off topic here.

RC