Tzadde wrote:Wolfie, where is your Sun? I ask this because I need to know whether the chart is diurnal or nocturnal.

Hi Tzadde - my Sun is in the 11th, in Pisces (and, incidentally, Mars is combust to it, and Mars would be the dispositor of Jup & Venus, I think)!
wolf

Wolfie wrote:

Tzadde wrote:Wolfie, where is your Sun? I ask this because I need to know whether the chart is diurnal or nocturnal.

Hi Tzadde - my Sun is in the 11th, in Pisces (and, incidentally, Mars is combust to it, and Mars would be the dispositor of Jup & Venus, I think)!
wolf

It's just contrariwise: Supposed your Mars is in Pisces, then Jupiter would be his Dispositor because Pisces is Jupiters House or - nowadays - Sign. Pisces is also the exaltation of Venus and thus she does not dispose of Mars nor is she his dispositor; but Venus receives Mars in her Exaltation.

Johannes

johannes susato wrote:

Wolfie wrote:

Tzadde wrote:Wolfie, where is your Sun? I ask this because I need to know whether the chart is diurnal or nocturnal.

Hi Tzadde - my Sun is in the 11th, in Pisces (and, incidentally, Mars is combust to it, and Mars would be the dispositor of Jup & Venus, I think)!
wolf

It's just contrariwise: Supposed your Mars is in Pisces, then Jupiter would be his Dispositor because Pisces is Jupiters House or - nowadays - Sign. Pisces is also the exaltation of Venus and thus she does not dispose of Mars nor is she his dispositor; but Venus receives Mars in her Exaltation.

Johannes

OK - I thought that as both Venus and Jupiter are in Aries (which is ruled by Mars), that Mars would be their dispositor - is that incorrect?
wolf

If Mars is in Pisces and Jupiter in Aries, there is mutual reception without aspect (which I prefer to call "generosity").

Thanks for clarifying the sect of your chart. So Jupiter, being a diurnal planet in diurnal Sign, in diurnal chart and above the horizon, you have Jupiter in Hayz, which should diminish the bad luck of the 12th. It is like your secret enemies, wanting to attack you, are (actually) accidentally helping you.
Venus, on the other side, is in the contrary condition, opposite to Hayz, and it may represent you or not (depending on whether the Moon aspects the Asc or not). If Venus is you (Moon not aspecting Asc), then you are self-sabotaging. If she is not you, then it is some sickness or someone who was supposed to not be your enemy, but is and you happen to know this person is against you (as Lady of 6th).

This is just one reason to see the chart as a whole and not only a part of it.

Wolfie wrote:OK - I thought that as both Venus and Jupiter are in Aries (which is ruled by Mars), that Mars would be their dispositor - is that incorrect?
wolf

If both Jupiter and Venus are in Aries then Mars is their dispositor, you are right, Wolf.

quoting from Tzadde: "If Venus is you (Moon not aspecting Asc), then you are self-sabotaging."

Well yes, this is the case - my moon doesn't aspect my venus - and yes, I am definitely self-sabotaging in certain behaviours, one example being compulsive overeating.
wolf