Unfortunately, we both Goca were wrong. From my experience I can say that such games with radical chart, L of day and hour being the same planet and simultaneously the fave's significator according to colours, is usually the fave's game. I cannot remember whether it has been otherwise in my experience.
Probably MU needed only a point to secure the first place. Besides Mars was in fact ingressing into Capricorn. I didn't take into account in my analysis. This also could move the result wrong way.

Unfortunately, the worst result since I opened this thread. Although I got some right, I was wrong on the ruling tendency. Faves did rather badly.

Why so many draws? Probably because majority of games where played with Mars or Sun being lord of hour with Leo ASC. In fact Mars and Sun were in the same triplicity which often produces draw. Their dispositor Jupiter is in antisca relationship with Saturn, ruler of DSC. This also could be a testimony for draws. Moon with her aspects - conjunction antisca Sun and Square Saturn - also contributed to the draws.

Bookies also had changed the odds for a number of times before the games started. It also threw into some confusion who is their fave. Besides only in group D for Copenhagen and Rubin games were of some importance.

I was thinking why there were 50% draws (which is twice than average) with radical charts, the ruling tendency should have been in favour of the faves.

One reason as I said was both the lord of ASC (Sun) and Lord of hour and day (Mars) being in one sign - Sagittarius which according to my experience often produces draw. The other Moon's aspects - conjunction Sun's (L1) antisca and square Saturn (L7).
But the most important is that for majority of teams the game was only formality.
I rember the last round in Russia championship where from 9 games 7 ended draw irrespective of the odds. There was no astrological reasoning behind that (the Moon was neither in fall nor in detriment, the hours didn't changed, etc.) but common sense that nobody needs anything. This may be another explanations for so many draws yesterday.
MU needed only a point to secure the first place, and they got it.

It may sound as a lame excuse, but I believe odds jumping up and down also contributed to wrong conclusions.

Today I have no particular interest, but as to one game.

Marseille - Chelsea
Odds 2.50 3.25 2.88 (they may probably change when the game begins)

20:45 CET

Stade Velodrome coordinates 43 16 11N, 05 23 45 E

ASC 05LE32, MC 20AR41, POF 12VI47, 23CA52

Day Mercury, hour Mercury on the brink to Moon

Marsellei's home kit is white, so they are ASC, Sun - ruler of ASC, and Moon (white).

The chart is not radical, which in my opinion favours Chelsea, as they had a streak of mishaps, and it is a good chance to break with it. On the other hand, it may import the end of the five win serie of Chelsea in the Champions League. So I do not know who would benefit from the nonradicality of the chart.

Saturn, L of DSC, is also the dispositor of both Mercury, L of hour and day, and Moon, other Marseille's significator. If Chelsea play in blue, then the Moon's application to Jupiter (blue), Sun's (L1) dispositor, is good for Chelsea.

The chart seems a little bit more promising for Chelsea, but we have the hour on the brink from Mercury to Moon which often produces draw.

Im inclined to think that it should be the Chelsea's game, considering better accidental dignities for Saturn, DSC ruler, and he bein dispositor of both Mercury, L of hour and day, and Moon, L of next hour and Marseille's significator.
However, if we take into consideration that Chelsea needs nothing but Marseille a point to come second, draw is more likely.

Goca, if you have time please provide your opinion.

Greetings
Janis

Regarding your chart difference in acc dig is only 9, so not a big difference. "Nothing happen" in this chart except that antiscion of POF at 17Ar14, but I think it is too wide to be significant so I go for draw.
But in chart Arsenal vs Partizan 8 dec 2010 7:45pm gmt 0w6 51n33 ASC=6Leo24, difference in acc dign is 12 and because of that Sa less then 1degree on IC I expect Partizan to win , but again we have APOF on less then 2 degrees on MC, so it can spoil everything, but if it is true that "closer aspect is the stronger" then it will be win.

Thanks Goca,

It's hard to believe that Partizan would win considering the difference in odds. So far I have noticed that the best chance for the total underdog is to have Aquarius ASC and Sun lord of hour or Leo ASC and Saturn as lord of hour. Unfortunately, it is not the case. Arsenal needs only win to grab the first place and must hope that Braga would defeat Schaktar playing at home.

Goca wrote:Regarding your chart difference in acc dig is only 9, so not a big difference. "Nothing happen" in this chart except that antiscion of POF at 17Ar14, but I think it is too wide to be significant so I go for draw.
But in chart Arsenal vs Partizan 8 dec 2010 7:45pm gmt 0w6 51n33 ASC=6Leo24, difference in acc dign is 12 and because of that Sa less then 1degree on IC I expect Partizan to win , but again we have APOF on less then 2 degrees on MC, so it can spoil everything, but if it is true that "closer aspect is the stronger" then it will be win.

Marseille 1 - 0 Chelsea
Regarding this chart again we both were wrong.

Arsenal 3 - 1 Partizan Belgrade
Regarding this chart you were right!
My only explanation is that aspect APOF conjunct MC (less then 2 degrees) is stronger testimony from ruler of 7 in conjunct with IC (less then 1 degrees).

On the other hand, it may import the end of the five win serie of Chelsea in the Champions League.

Rember I said this about the nonradicality of the chart. Nonradicality favours the underdog, Marceile was the underdog as the odds narrowed for Chelsea before the game.

Nonradicality, considering that Mercury is almost stationary mixed the colours. Both teams were wearing their third kit which is dark grey/blue for Marseille and salad green for Chelsea. So ASC was Chelsea, DSC Marseille. All perfectly fits with my analysis, Saturn, ruler of DSC and Marseille significator, was the dispositor of Mercury, L of hour and day, which I as have said is a pretty reliable testimony for that team.

As regards Arsenal - Partizan, the chart was not enough irradical to counterbalance the odds. So far I have found that only Aquarius ASC with Sun being lord of hour is enough irradical to outweigh a huge difference in odds. I have a chart Barcelona - Hercules where Hercules won with odds 1:42. Leo ASC and Saturn being the ruler of hour is the second best for the rank underdogs.
Besides we had some other testimonies for Arsenal. In sports astrology it is better to have an exalted planed than a planet in house. Mars was ingression in Capricorn, which is a strong testimony. Planet usually performs very well in the first degree of his house or exaltation, or on the opposite, very bad if in the first degree of his detriment or fall. When he gets accustomed, the first joy or shock decreseas and in the issue no surprises.



Regards
Janis

Nonradicality, considering that Mercury is almost stationary mixed the colours. Both teams were wearing their third kit which is dark grey/blue for Marseille and salad green for Chelsea. So ASC was Chelsea, DSC Marseille. All perfectly fits with my analysis, Saturn, ruler of DSC and Marseille significator, was the dispositor of Mercury, L of hour and day, which I as have said is a pretty reliable testimony for that team.

Yes, you are right!

There is little football today, however I have selected a game.

Bundesliga
Hannover - Stuttgart
Odds 2.40 3.40 2.80 (odds may change until the begging of the game)

Kick off 20.30 CET, AWD Arena coordinates 52 31 36 N, 09 43 52 E

Hannover is 4th with 28 points in 15 games Stuttgart is 16th with 12 points facing relegation. Stuttgart has not won in Hannover since November 12, 2006.

ASC 12LE35, MC 23AR24, POF 12LI21, Moon 18AQ24
Day Venus, hour Mercury

Hannover's home kit is dark red (claret), Stuttgart most probably will play in white.

The chart is not radical which prima facia favours the underdog. According to colours, ASC is Stuttgart if play in white.

Mercury, L of hour, is retrograde and slow. With Mercury being L of hour and retro you never know. In my, opinion it favours more the underdog than the fave.

+ Hannover
1) Venus, L of day, and Mercury, L of hour, is in an applying sextile, but since Mercury is retro who knows?,
2) Mars, as second Hannovers significator (dark red) exalts in Capricorn and disposes Mercury, L of hour, by exaltation. Having the lord of hour in the same sign as significator is a pretty reliable testimony for that team,
3) Saturn, Lord of DSC, is dispositor of Mercury, L of hour, and Mars, Hannover's (red) significator (but being in Libra - Mars detriment this testimony is weakened), and the Moon.

+ Stuttgart
1) The chart is not radical, besides Mercury, L of hour, is retro and slow;
2) The Moon is applying by sextile to Sun, first having seperated from Saturn by trine, so Moon translates from Saturn, L 7, to the Sun, L1. However, seeing that Saturn is in the fall of Sun, in Libra, but the Moon in Aquarius, detriment of the Sun, and there is no reception, this testimony is not so strong as it otherwise should have been.

Frankly, I am confused which testimonies should be preferred. My guess is Stuttgart, considering the nonradicality of the chart with Mercury, l of hour, being retrograde and slow, and the Moon's applying sextile to Sun, translating from Saturn to Sun. On the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised if the game ends draw - draw is usually if there are so many contradictory testimonies.

I allow that retro Mercury may mix colours and Hannover could wear white.

Goca, if you have time please provide your opinion. I wish if others joined as well.
Greetings
Janis

Unfortunately wrong with the prediction but satisfied with the analysis. The bookies once again changed the odds making Stuttgart as the marginal fave. Obiously the nonradicality of the chart did not helped them.
As I said it's a strong testimony for that team to have a significator as the dispositor of lord of hour or to have a significator in the same sign as the lord of hour.
I besides ASC - DSC use also planets matching in colours with the kits as the significators. In this case Hannover, in addition to Saturn, was Mars (dark red - claret).

Tomorrow we have a number of Premier League, French league, Bundesliga and others games very good for learning. I will provide analysis as to some.
Regards
Janis

Good day

I will start todays's analysis with Bundesliga games.
Cologne - Eintracht Frankfurt
Odds 2.30 3.40 3.00
Kick off 15:30 CET, Rhein Energie Stadion coordinates 50 56 01 N, 06 52 30 E

Cologn is 17th with 12 points in 15 games and facing relegation. Frankfurt is 8th with 23 points.
Frankfurt has not won in Cologn since May 7, 1994. Last 3 games in Cologn ended draw.
Cologne's home kit is red, Frankfurt's away kit is white.

ASC 04GE56, MC 02AQ18, POF 13LE25, Moon 27AQ55
Day Saturn, hour Sun

According to colours ASC - Frankfurt, DSC - Cologne. Additional significators - Mars (red) for Cologne, Moon (white) for Frankfurt.

Moon is VOC in this chart which means either the fave wins or draw. However, the chart is not radical with Sun being ruler of hour and Gemini rising. Sun and Mercury are in fact antisca relationship (Sagittarius - Capricorn) that also may import draw.

Cologn +
1) Significant difference in accidental dignities: Jupiter +9, Mercury - 10,
2) Moon VOC,
3) Jupiter, Lord of DSC, is the dispositor of the Sun, L of hour,

Frankfurt +
1) chart not radical

My prediction is Cologne, however, there are strong testimonies for draw.

Hamburger - Leverkusen
Odds 2.38 3.40 2.88
Kick off 15:30, 11.12.2010
Imtech Arena coordinates 53 35 14 N, 09 53 55 E,

Hamburger is 9th with 21 points in 15 games, Leverkusen is 4th with 29 points. Leverkusen has not won in Hamburg since April 22, 2006.

Hamburger's home kit is white shirt and red shorts; Leverkusen most probably will play in their black home kit.

ASC 12GE54, MC 05AQ14, POF 21LE23, Moon 27AQ55
Day Saturn, hour Venus

The chart is not radical. As in all today's Bundesliga games the Moon is VOC. Nonradicality of the chart seems to favour Leverkusen who has not won in Hamburg since April 22, 2006.
It's hard to decide who is who - ASC or DSC - judging from colours. ASC might be Leverkusen (black) - Mercury, ruler of ASC, in Capricorn. In addition, Saturn or Mars might be Leverkusen's significator.

+ Hamburger
1) significant difference acc dignities : Jupiter + 9, Mercury - 10 (if DSC is Hamburger)

+ Leverkusen
1) nonradicality of the chart,
2) Saturn being dispositor of Moon and Mercury, L of ASC, and Saturn being in house of Venus, L of hour
3) triple reception by house - Saturn (Libra), Venus (Scorpio) and Mars (Capricorn)

+ draw
1) Moon VOC,
2) Venus, l of hour, in cadent VI and her detriment Scorpio

All considered the chart seems more promising for Leverkusen, but I doubt whether sufficient, I would go for draw

Kaiseslautern - Wolfsburg
Odds 2.45 3.30 2.80
Kick off 15:30 CET, 11.12.2010

Fritz Walter stadion coordinates 49 26 05 N, 07 46 35 E

Kaiserslautern is 12th with 17 points in 15 games, Wolfsburg is 13 the with 17 points. Wolfsburg has never won in Kaiserslautern during last 15 years.

ASC 04GE03, MC 03AQ11, POF 12LE31, Moon 27AQ55
Day Saturn, hour Sun

According to colours ASC - Wolfsburg, DSC - Kaiserslautern.
The chart is similar to Cologn - Frankfurt. The same testimonies.

+ Kaiserslautern
1) significant difference in acc dignities: Jupiter + 9, Mercury - 10
2) Jupiter, ruler of DSC, is dispositor of the Sun, ruler of hour and dispositor of POF,
3) ruler of hour - Sun disposes IC by house,
4) POF in IV

+ Wolfsburg
1) chart not radical

My prediction is Kaiserslautern