49 by Tom Unless there are some strenuous objections, I'll post the biographical information on our mystery chart tomorrow. Then we can analyze from there.
50 by Graham F James wrote: graham - mercury is more curious then investigative from my point of view.. i suppose it depends on how deep the curiousity runs. I agree. I haven't read Brady's work on this, but as she's talking about career, I guess she'd say that a curious nature could lead to an investigative career, if the Mercury is strongly involved in career factors. Or maybe Mercury would have a curious career... Graham
51 by Tom I have no idea why this guy popped into my head the other day. He hasn't been in the news that I know of, and as of this writing, he is now 77 years old and probably not too active. Maybe he is. I hope so. As I originally mentioned his name isn't going to mean anything to non-Americans and at this point, it may not mean anything to younger Americans. His fame, such as it was, came a long time ago. Our native is Robert Clinton Richardson, best known as Bobby Richardson, one time second baseman for the New York Yankees, a major league (highest level of play) baseball team. He played on the Yankees from 1955 until the end of the 1966 season where he abruptly quit at age 31 possibly at the top of his game. Keep in mind, athletes in 1966 were not paid anywhere near what they are paid today. It isn't as though he walked away from a fortune. But he did walk away from a solid career playing a game for a living with some of his best playing days possibly ahead of him. I'm going to keep the baseball explanations to a minimum and that might leave some confusion in the minds of people who know little about the game. If that happens and anyone wants a better explanation, just let me know. Briefly baseball players are expected to have two distinct sets of skills: a) hitting, the ability to hit safely a reasonable percentage of the time (At the major league level hitting safely 30% of the time is excellent. That translates into a batting average of .300. Hitting .275 is adequate), and b) fielding, the ability to play your position well (defense). Richardson was a lousy hitter (.266 lifetime batting average), but a great fielder. Hitting skills are valued more highly because that's how runs are scored and the game is won. So poor fielders with good hitting skills are desirable, whereas great fielders with poor hitting skills are something of a luxury. Richardson played on great teams with plenty of good hitters. Some of the occasional players on the 50s and 60s Yankees were good enough to have played all the time on other teams. The Yankee infield of this era (the infield consists of a third baseman, shortstop, second baseman, and first baseman) was, defensively, one of the best ever. In fact the 1961 Yankee baseball team is considered one of the best teams in baseball history. Mercury is the planet associated with dexterity. Mercury is not only in domicile, but configured with a powerful Mars in a Gauquelin sector. Mercury and the Moon are in trine indicating a good functioning mind and as the Moon is associated with the body, this also enhances the dexterity. Mars aspects both so he is the significator of the manners. This planet was originally expressed via athletics. Richardson is best known for two events. In the 1960 World Series he won the Most Valuable Player Award despite being on the losing team. This is the only time that has happened. And he won it largely because of his hitting! He hit .387 and set a World Series record of 12 runs batted in during a 7 game series (it is best of four and doesn't always go to 7 games). That record may still stand. The second event was the play that ended the 1962 Wold Series. Game 7: the Yankees were winning 1-0 with two outs in the bottom of the 9th and their opponents the San Francisco Giants at bat. There was a man on second and a man on third. If the hitter, the dangerous Willie McCovey, manged to get a routine single, both runners would score easily and the Giants would win the World Series. If they could get him out, the Yankees would win. It was possible, but unlikely, that the Giants would tie the game and it would require extra innings. It really came down to this play. McCovey was a left handed power hitter. They should have intentionally walked him putting him on first with a run that meant nothing. If the man on second scored that was all that was necessary. Putting him on base would allow a force out (an easy play usually) at any base. But for reasons no one understands they pitched to him. McCovey hit a screaming line drive (not high off the ground but very hard. Line drives fall for hits about 7 times out of 10). Richardson had played McCovey perfectly. Had he played slightly to his left or right the ball would have done through and McCovey would have been a baseball legend for winning the World Series in such a manner. Instead Richardson snagged the ball for the final out. It is true that the Yankees, as a team were in a downward spiral by 1966, but playing baseball for a living is nice. Richardson left the team and initially took a position as the head baseball coach at for a college team (where he did exceptionally well) ? a big step down in the baseball hierarchy although I'm sure the college players loved it. But that wasn't where he was going. Richard became and still is a sought after religious speaker. I had read that he became an ordained minister, but I have not found confirmation of that. He is active in an organization called the Fellowship of Christian Athletes. He was invited to give a religious talk at the White House in 1970 (keep in mind though, then President Richard Nixon was an avid sports fan), and he is still a much sought after spiritual counselor and church speaker at his advanced age. He is using his celebrity as a ball player for opportunities to preach. Notice Jupiter, the planet of religion, is also in a Gauquelin sector. The Moon is change. The Moon sits on the MC and is exalted and trine Mercury in domicile and both sextile Mars in domicile. This is a powerful combination and it is hard to believe but nonetheless true, that Richardson is a soft spoken, even gentle man, who once played professional sports in a testosterone filled culture. Someone mentioned his coming to prominence in the period of 1992-96. While long past his playing days this is true. Richardson's teammate in the 1960s, Mickey Mantle, was dying of liver cancer. If there were two polar opposites on this team, it was Mantle and Richardson. Bobby led prayer sessions in the clubhouse. Mantle battled hangovers. Mantle came from a dirt poor family of lead miners from Oklahoma. He spent a good part of his formative years living in a one-room house that had dirt floors. From these beginnings he would become one of the premier baseball players of his day, one of the best ever, and the stuff of legend for both on field and off field performances. The men in the Mantle family all died young. Mickey's father would die at age 39. His uncles would not live past 42. Mickey would lose a son to Hodgkins disease when the younger man was in his 20s. He apparently made up his mind that even though is life may be short, he would enjoy the time he had and he did. Unfortunately he would become a raging alcoholic and whereas most of us would have been in serious trouble for some of the things he did, he got away with it because he was Mickey Mantle. He didn't commit crimes and was anything but vicious, but he lived high and fast. The women in his life cost him his marriage. The liquor probably cost him his life. At age 64, long past the time he thought he would die, he developed liver cancer. He had a liver transplant, but when they opened him up, they knew he couldn't survive. The cancer had spread throughout his internal organs. Bobby Richardson showed up at Mantle's deathbed and became his spiritual counselor until the end. Richardson was not judgmental. When Mantle died his funeral was a nationally televised event. Richardson presided over the religious ceremonies and impressed quite a few people who only knew him as an athlete. He then went back to as much anonymity as a once-famous athlete can have. His personality is probably best summed up in this anecdote from his bio in Wiki: ?His 2012 Book, "Impact Player" chronicles his life including his years with the Yankee Dynasty. At a book-signing event at the Yogi Berra Museum in Montclair, New Jersey, it was said he showed the 'typical Bobby Richardson way' when he called back a young woman who brought her father to the event from Pennsylvania. When the woman walked away with autographed book in hand Richardson called her back to the table to reinforce his gratitude to her for her kindness to her father.? The man is selfless.
52 by Mark GR wrote: Well, let's take a shot. Most angular of the professional planets is Mars & the planet closest to the Sun is Mercury, protected from the Sun's beams by being in his own places. Thinking this person was a successful athlete of some kind. Lot of Spirit in Aries in the 9th, along with both the Sun's and Mars' angularity and goadedness, perhaps the native became a pastor/cleric? Well done Gabe! You seem to have hit the nail on the head here in just one paragraph. Mark As thou conversest with the heavens, so instruct and inform thy minde according to the image of Divinity William Lilly
53 by Mark Can anybody tell me where this piece by Brady on professions originates? Is it an article? Can anyone give us the reference? Mark As thou conversest with the heavens, so instruct and inform thy minde according to the image of Divinity William Lilly
54 by Tom And Ile I would say that Moon and Mercury would give someone who is associated with writing/communicating and something in which a large organization of people is involved, because of the Moon and the network of people with which she is symbolically connected. He later specifically mentions religious groups as well as the choleric Mars (athletics). There are any number of good quotes to pull from posters who all found things that turned out to be true. This group never ceases to impress me not only with their knowledge, but their ability to apply it. I'll have more later.
55 by Konrad Tom wrote:And Ile I would say that Moon and Mercury would give someone who is associated with writing/communicating and something in which a large organization of people is involved, because of the Moon and the network of people with which she is symbolically connected. He later specifically mentions religious groups as well as the choleric Mars (athletics). There are any number of good quotes to pull from posters who all found things that turned out to be true. This group never ceases to impress me not only with their knowledge, but their ability to apply it. I'll have more later. Hi Tom, any chance of his birth details so I can look to his chart in more depth? Scratch that, he's on astrodatabank. I typed the wrong name in. http://www.esmaraldaastrology.wordpress.com
56 by Tom Sorry folks I forgot to post this: Bobby Richardson Aug 19, 1935 5:00 AM Sumter, S.C USA 33 N 55 80 W 20 Rated AA
57 by james_m thanks again for doing this tom! i wonder where the religious side comes in using trad astro? i suppose if you think of mars as being the 9th house ruler and jupiter a planet with a natural symbol for religion, conjunct mars - it fits. perhaps the saturn in pisces also feeds into this too.. i found it interesting how a military career was something that a few folks mentioned. i suppose this was due the strength of mars as well. perhaps the moon which i did a quick association with a politician could just as easily have been a preacher, politicians and preachers having a few things in common.. technically when i look at the chart i am torn over whether it is a day or a night chart.. i am curious what others here think on this.. obviously it is a chart with the sun below the horizon, but close to daylight.. thoughts?
58 by Mark James_M wrote: technically when i look at the chart i am torn over whether it is a day or a night chart.. i am curious what others here think on this.. obviously it is a chart with the sun below the horizon, but close to daylight.. thoughts? Gosh James this has come up so many times here on the forum lets not do it again here! The last time was only a few months ago. This chart is 100% nocturnal. There is no ambiguity about this chart. Hence Mars is especially effective being in sect, angular and in its domicile (tropical). I will try and find the links to the old threads if you dont beat me to it. I think Deborah Houlding's point about looking at the planetary hour rulers changing over from last night ruler to first day ruler is a strong one. Much more convincing than Robert Hand who I think has really muddied the water on this topic. Lets just count our lucky stars we dont work in northern Alaska, Canada, Scandanavia or Russia. As with quadrant houses sect stops making a lot of sense at extreme northern or southern latitudes if you have a midnight summer sun or endless dark winter days! http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6924 http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3688 http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4404 http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/cd057 ... 4f91700623 Mark As thou conversest with the heavens, so instruct and inform thy minde according to the image of Divinity William Lilly
59 by GR Mark wrote:GR wrote: Well, let's take a shot. Most angular of the professional planets is Mars & the planet closest to the Sun is Mercury, protected from the Sun's beams by being in his own places. Thinking this person was a successful athlete of some kind. Lot of Spirit in Aries in the 9th, along with both the Sun's and Mars' angularity and goadedness, perhaps the native became a pastor/cleric? Well done Gabe! You seem to have hit the nail on the head here in just one paragraph. Mark Well I just kept it simple. But I agree with Tom, lots of people said some relevant things about this nativity. Gabe
60 by Mark Anybody up for another Mystery chart? Or do you need longer to catch your breath? Mark As thou conversest with the heavens, so instruct and inform thy minde according to the image of Divinity William Lilly