Haha Ouranos, that's what Dirac said, 'if there is a God, it must be a mathematician'. And I believe Dirac, for my natal asteroid Dirac is conjunct my natal Jupiter! Maybe Dirac IS God!

But how can we use asteroids to enhance our performance at the gym?

But how can we use asteroids to enhance our performance at the gym?

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Alex Miller here; Anna invited me to check in to the thread a few weeks ago, finally found the time.

I've been researching asteroids extensively since 2005, and continue to be delighted and amazed by the correlations, both in birth charts and events.

I wanted to weigh in on "junk" asteroids. Don't be too quick to dismiss them - sometimes they can lie "dormant" for a very long time, and then surface as major factors in a bio. Two that come to mind are Antonin Scalia and Martin Luther King Jr.

Both these examples relate to asteroids at station, which can make a huge impact, whether they are aligned with a planet or not. Scalia, Associate Justice of the SCOTUS, was born with two asteroids at station: Justitia and Shafter. Justitia is easy to read - it's named for the Roman goddess of justice, the root of our word. It was also Scalia's job title for thirty years (and incidentally, Justitia was also stationary when he died).

But what about Shafter? Nonsense, right? Not exactly; it took almost 80 years to manifest, but when Scalia died suddenly at a resort ranch in 2016, it was in the town of Shafter, Texas!

Martin Luther King Jr has a similar story. King's stationary asteroid is Lorraine. No, not his wife, sister or mother. But King was shot and killed on the balcony of the Lorraine Hotel in Memphis, by James Earl Ray. In the birth chart, Lorraine opposes TNO Ixion (named for the first murderer in Greek myth) and asteroid Requiem (named for the funeral mass for the dead). Lorraine was stationary again when he died, opposing asteroid Wray (phonetic match for "Ray"). And James Earl Ray? Yes, he had a stationary asteroid also - Martin Luther!

So just because a point seems disconnected or nonsensical in the present moment, as long as there's breath, there's time for it to manifest!

Check out the main page and the archives at my site, https://alexasteroidastrology.com/, for literally thousands of additional examples of asteroid impact; there's also a research section with 70 MNA profiles (Mythic-Named Asteroids, as opposed to PNAs, Personal-Named Asteroids), including keywords for interpretation.

Annadeer, long ago and far away I took one entry-level university course in statistics. That doesn't qualify me to say very much, other that, in any research design, there is a "garbage in, garbage out" problem.

The results of a statistical study are only as good as the initial assumptions and methods. If these are flawed in some respect, then the results and conclusions will be flawed, as well.

There are something like 22,958 asteroids with ephemerides (based on Astrodienst's list.) With 360 degrees in the horoscope, that's about 64 asteroids per degree point. If you allow even a small orb, you are looking at a few hundred asteroids.

The "Bingo!" asteroid is then specifically relevant to the question you are asking. The other 64+ asteroids might be spot-on for some other topic going on around the world, but they are irrelevant to, say, the Webb telescope launch moment picking up the asteroid named for an ancient astronomer.

So the meaningful asteroid problem is specific to you personally, or to a specific event among millions of events on the planet happening at the same time. Possibly if you have 64x4 asteroids to choose from (the exact degree point plus a 2-degree orb on either side) your chance of getting one meaningful "hit" out of 250 asteroids is considerably higher. This is particularly true once we consider that, in the matter of a new telescope launch, a lot of asteroids were named for astronomers.

It's not a total needle-in-a-haystack proposition.

Which is why I think asteroid use is highly subjective. That's not necessarily bad or wrong, it's just that the querent is the measure of whether an asteroid position is uncannily relevant or so much space junk.

Which is why I think using asteroids is an "inner sky" undertaking.

Really impressive, Alex!

I think asteroid correspondences can be really uncanny, but that they still primarily operate in a subjective realm.

It's often hard to find asteroid names that would be meaningful to someone: the named asteroids just don't exist. I have a named asteroid with the correct spelling (mine is a little unusual) but it does diddlysquat in my chart-- or in the charts of my family members.

Once we get beyond narrow orbs and conjunctions the liklihood of finding a "Bingo!" asteroid increases dramatically.

I've been researching asteroids extensively since 2005, and continue to be delighted and amazed by the correlations, both in birth charts and events.

Thank ou Alex for sharing your research on asteroids.
I have been following you on your blog for some time now and I am always amazed by the 'coincidences' you come up with.
Jung would be proud of you!

It goes without saying that astrologers have been using a dwarf planet Pluto for almost a 100 years right now without any controversy. Many many people can testify of Pluto transits in their charts.

I have a question for you. What led you to start a website on asteroids and is there any moment you felt that your work was too wide to be integrated in a birth chart?

Thank you!

Alex, thank you so much for joining the conversation. Ultra instructive, your research regarding seemingly clutter asteroids!

Waybread,

I agree that there’s a subjective element. But one could come to a temporary working consensus of sticking to asteroids with names related to the nature of the event/ person and for now leave the subjectivity issue and the junk planets issue aside. Besides, even in hard sciences there’s a subjectivity issue, as the observer is known to influence the results.

Next, ref the Webb launch example - it’s not as if there are hundreds of asteroids named after astronomers. There are less than a dozen big ones, and Ptolemaeus probably was the biggest one.

Thirdly, there’s the factor of the speed with which the ascendant moves, depending on time and L/L, plus the speed with which the asteroids move. This makes the math more complicated and the statistical probability less big than if the ascendant were static or slower. Just like in real life a bullet has less chances of hitting a moving target than hitting a fixed target.

In the case of Oppenheimer’s lunar return, of all 22,000+ asteroids, Vishnu is the only one that perfectly fits his quote. And as the LR Asc depends on even more variables than a birth Asc, the odds of an asteroid hitting it seem even smaller, I’d say (I may be wrong, if so, someone enlighten me, please)

Finally, there’s the abundance of examples and the consistency of the phenomenon. In the case of above mentioned physicists, t’s not just one or two of them having one or two relevant asteroids come up, it’s each and every one of them, having a whole bunch of all most relevant asteroids come up, at fast changing spots as POF and Asc.

If Musk were born half an hour later, he wouldn’t have Tesla conjunct POF. Had EInstein and Hubble been born half an hour later, they wouldn’t have had Astrowizard conjunct POF. Had Dirac been born half an hour later, he wouldn’t have had Nobel conjunct Asc. HAd Pauli been born half an hour later, he wouldn't have had Leibniz conjunct POF. Had the Hiroshima bombing been half an hour later, its chart wouldn't have had Mars conjunct uranus conjunct Alamos conjunct MC. Had the Webb telescope been launched half an hour later or elsewhere, Ptolemaeus wouldn’t have been the Asc. (which is why I attach more importance to asteroids conjunct Asc/MC/POF than to asteroids conjunct Sun)

I realise I am talking to you as if you were a complete skeptic, which I know you are not Just prepping my case for the day I get to sit down with a math wizard.

Thanks, Ouranos, and glad you have been enjoying my site.

I set up on my own in 2017 because I simply wasn't able to find enough existing outlets for all the data I was collecting. I wanted someplace people could go to see current events through the asteroid lens, more or less in real time.

I had started serious investigation of this field in 2005, but it's still considered "fringe", and getting a decent hearing in the astrologic community was tough going. Initially I focused on mythic asteroids (MNAs), but more and more personal asteroids (PNAs) began to intrude. After my uncle, David Miller, died in 2011 with asteroids Davida and Miller exactly conjunct Pluto, I began to concentrate on that aspect (no pun intended) of the work.

As to when I felt it had become too wide to integrate into a birth chart, that depends on what's wanted. If you want me to be a prophet and tell you who will be significant in your life, in advance, it's a hopeless task, given the number of asteroids and the lack of tools to properly corral them. (In that regard I find myself somewhat in Anna's situation, wanting an expert who could design a proper program for this research.)

And most people DO want a prophet when they come to an astrologer, which is why I no longer do private readings, and focus on research.

But if you want to understand how you see someone already in your life, asteroids can be a good tool. By aspect, House placement, etc, they can reveal a lot about how you perceive that individual, especially if the asteroid match is exact.

So PNAs can be problematic in a birth chart, unless you know what you're looking for. MNAs, on the other hand, add a whole new layer to chart interpretation, and expand upon planetary themes to "tweak" their manifestations.

Well, defended, Anna! Timing is indeed everything.

And Waybread, while I am definitely NOT mathematically inclined, it seems to me that even if you only get a few direct hits from a subset of 250 or so, by your reckoning, that's still an infinitesimally small amount of the whole, given the 22,000 possibilities, and is probably statistically significant.

Here's another good example of how stationary asteroids show impact and import on a bio. Take the case of Diana, Princess of Wales, born Lady Diana Spencer.

Diana had seven asteroids at station in her birth chart: Diana, Spencer, Charlotte (closest English equivalent to Charles), Hera (Greek goddess of marriage), King, Paris, and Rip. So just by looking at what was standing still at the moment of her birth, we see her full name, the name of her husband, the fact that marriage would be pivotal in her life, the connection to royalty, the place of her death, and the importance of that death and its memorialization (Rip functions as a death indicator in the form of the acronym RIP, Rest In Peace, a common tombstone inscription, and refers particularly to commemorations of a death, which for Diana were extravagant, to say the least).

When she married, Aphrodite and Achilles were conjunct, and at station, as was Nemesis. Aphrodite refers to affairs, as opposed to legal unions, and Achilles represents an inherent flaw or weakness which threatens to undermine or destroy the native (in this case, the marriage itself). Nemesis is a competitor or rival, among other things. This neatly encapsulates the extramarital affairs on both sides which capsized their union. These three are in a Grand Trine with the Sun, which was conjoined asteroid Diana that day.

When she died, stationary asteroids included Diana again (SD at birth, SR at death), Atropos and Paul. Atropos is named for the Fate who severs the thread of life at death, and Paul represents Ritz Hotel deputy head of security Henri Paul, her driver that night, who also perished.

Not bad, for a bunch of space junk!

Alex,

What is the best tool to track the asteroids?

Right now, I use this one to generate ephemeris on specific asteroids
http://www.true-node.com/eph3/

and astro.com with the Extended chart selection
I need a 101 crash course to be more efficient on this one.

I would be curious to see why Omicron is making the headlines.
From Greek o mikron ‘small o’. Also, the 15th letter of the Greek alphabet has the value 70 in Greek numerals. The letter omicron took its root from the Phoenician letter ayin (ayn or ain), which was shaped like a circle. And it meant "eye" in Phoenician language.

Thank you,
Ouranos

Ouranos, I use basically the same site, except mine ends in eph1; seems more user-friendly to me, but I am a self-professed tech illiterate.

I am unware of any site or program that will track it better, this is still a seriously underutilized approach to chart interpretation.

The Rodney Dangerfield of astrology.