Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 6:26 pm
Hi Tom,
thank you for your words and for saying that it is even to you confusing
Your explanations are profound and I think I have to reread them several times. The part about awareness is interesting and I`ll try to see it also this way.
But just one more thing. You wrote:
Hi Johannes,
thank you for your words and for saying that it is even to you confusing
Your explanations are profound and I think I have to reread them several times. The part about awareness is interesting and I`ll try to see it also this way.
But just one more thing. You wrote:
I think it`s the ruler of 1 in 7. For Zoller the 1st house and planets in it signify the Primary Motivation of the native, so the motivation (1st house) goes to the partner (7th house), the "flow" goes from 1 to 7 and the Native takes the action to seek a spouse.Ruler of 7 in 1 motivates (first house) the native to seek a spouse. The first house motivates the native to engage in relationships (realization) and the outcome is a spouse or no spouse.
Thank you!A good deal of the confusion could be alleviated if he would use words that are not synonymous to make his distinctions.
Hi Johannes,
I don`t think so, Johannes (at least I hope so). Here is Zoller`s part again:in my understanding the quotations of Zoller, your sentence is most problematic if not wrong.
Please see the marked words.Realization is the reverse. The 1st house signifies the native?s life (vita). Each person has a certain kind of life (as we said above re: the martian kind of life). The kind of life we have is determined fist by the sign on the 1st house cusp and any planets in the 1st house. This may be modified by planets aspecting the 1st house cusp. The synthesis of all these factors we call the promise of the 1st house.
But so far we have merely delineated the ?what? of the 1st house, i.e. What the 1st house promises. Will it be realized? Since the good or bad signified (promised) by a house emanates from the ruler of the house, we must look to the ruler of the 1st to see the source or origin of the promise of the 1st house. If the ruler of the 1st is fortunate and strong, the native will realize the promise of the 1st house; if weak and afflicted, he will not.
Sorry Johannes but that`s not really the case. Zoller says that every house contains a certain promise which can be realized or not: the 2nd promises money (or loss), the 7th promises partnership, the 10th a profession or reputation and so on. Realizaition is not limited to the 1st house.And what in all other houses he calls 'outcome' is in his nomenclature 'realisation' regarding the first,...
This may be my fault because I was not able to make it clear = we may not see Zoller as a follower of Morin allthough he mentions him! Above all he is an advocate of Medieval Astrology and lots of his teaching arise from the Arabs (e.g. Al Biruni) or from Guido Bonatti. And we know that Morin did not like the Arabs and he brought a lot of own ideas into his astrology.In the doctrine of Morin and his follower Zoller..