Thanks Deb,

In light of the added information, I'll go with July 11, 2002.


TransmaniaconMC

Now that the range 2001-2005 is known, outside of my guesstimate, it follows (as far as I am concerned) that it is never a good idea to take shortcuts (or prioritize directions) to force an answer. The correct approach should have been to pose and answer the question whether there is a possibility of an accident and/or danger to life in each of the 26 years from 1983(using the same method). But that is too time-consuming and I doubt anyone here had attempted that.

I did notice the activation of Mars-Saturn for the years 2004-05(via Uranus direction).The years 2001-03 also show their activation though not directly.
Since Mars and Saturn are in close opposition, simple laws of arithmetic dictate that any midpoint involving Mars and factor X will be in closer square to any midpoint involving Saturn and factor X. Substitute Neptune for X and we have MA/NE squaring SA/NE and it so happened in this case that Mercury was sesquisquaring both MA/NE and SA/NE. This connection was activated by solar arc direction first by Pluto in 2001 followed by Sun in 2002 and Uranus in 2003(and first half of 2004).

Now that the circumstances of death are known, death (MA/SA) due to drowning/unresolved cause (NE) when traveling (ME) accurately describes the fulfillment of the natal promise.

I wish no astrological clues whatsoever were given as this weakens the testing of the methodology used due to the tendency to fit in the clues to get an answer. The methodology used alone should dictate the answer.

I wish no astrological clues whatsoever were given as this weakens the testing of the methodology used due to the tendency to fit in the clues to get an answer. The methodology used alone should dictate the answer.

Hi Ju,
That's one reason why I gave a lengthy period with the minimum of information. I did have to give some information, but it really was the bare minimum, to give people a chance to range freely to begin with. Hopefully those who speculated a date outside the range will have found this a useful exercise so far, if only for showing where shifts of emphasis may be needed.

BTW, I'm not sure if you are strengthening an option on one of your earlier proposals or making a new one in your above post. If so, would you mind clarifying the period you are proposing?

Regards
Deb

BTW, I'm not sure if you are strengthening an option on one of your earlier proposals or making a new one in your above post. If so, would you mind clarifying the period you are proposing?

I have not looked closely into the years, but what I am seeing is the directional activation of MA/SA in each of the years but with a Neptunian connection more prominently in the first 4 years of the specified range. Since I used ME, MA/NE, SA/NE connections for 2001-03, I can't ignore the Uranus station squaring Mercury in late 2004 if I were to be consistent. I will try to get dates to the nearest week for each year and see if I can honestly say one is better than all the others. I believe I have time until August 31?

With that time period I'm going ot have to go with this transit I proposed earlier

In August of 2001 about the 3rd, Saturn conj his sun for the second time in his life, and the interesting thing about this alignment is that Pluto and Mars are in Opposition to Saturn at 12 and 16 degrees of Sagittarius. A close mimic of the natal alignment. Strong secondary contender I should think.

the Mimic of the natal alignment is pretty pronounced, and is 90 degrees from the Natal alignment.

Granny

I've already mentioned solar return for 2001 that had a reversed Asc/Desc compared with the natal chart (critical year) and a repeated Mars-Pluto opp Sun-Jupiter configuration which formed a grand cross with this natal configuration and nodal axis. It also had the SR Asc exactly conjunct the natal arabian parts of Death and Foolhardiness.

So, I guess the accident took place sometime between 3-june-2001 and 3-june-2002.

Since Deb mentioned it was on a day of a lunar return (event Moon aligned with natal Moon), one has to check all lunar reutrns during that year and diurnal charts for these lunar reutrn dates.

Dates of lunar returns: 23-June-2001, 20-July-2001, 17Aug-2001,13-Sep-2001, 11-Oct-2001, 7-Nov-2001, 4-Dec-2001, 31-Dec-2001, 28-Jan-2002, 24-Feb-2002, 24-Mar-2002, 20-Apr-2002, 17-May2002.

What I look for in the same reversed Asc/Desc in the Lunar return chart as in the SR chart. One can find this in two charts:
1. 28 Jan-2002 LR - exacly revresed Asc/Desc.
2. 24-Mar-2002 LR which has almost identical angles to that of the 2001 SR chart.

The 28-Jan-2002 diurnal chart does not have anything unusual on the angles , neither does the diurnal chart for the following LR date 24-Feb.

The 24-Mar-2002 diurnal chart does not look abnormal, but the following
LR date 20-April-2002 has an interesting diurnal chart:
natal Sun and transit Saturn are tightly conjunct the diurnal Asc (Someone above already mentioned this was the third and final Saturn transit to natal Sun that year).
Saturn is ruler of the natal 8th house. Sun is ruler of the natal 3rd house of short journeys, on the natal 12th cusp of self undoing conjunct the node and a debilitated Jupiter in its detriment in Gemini. Transit Pluto is square the natal Mc/Ic axis and cnj the natal Mars/Saturn death midpoint.
Transit Sun hit the Mars/Uranus axis on the 90 deg dial (accident).

Was it April the 20th 2002 around 11:02am GMT ?

As other colleagues have used several possible dates for the event, I also dare a final and definitive date of death and disappearance. I think the Opposition Saturn / Pluto very critical and definitive, as also Mid Point Sun /Saturn= Moon and Pluto / Node = Moon, all meets in the Solar Revolution of 2002, which I consider the environment from the 20th-25th -- September, 2002 as the most criticos. Inclusive might be somewhere between the meridian of 80E00-93E00, 20N00, 30N00.
Primary Direction: ASC Quincux Saturn (ruler VIII)
Sincerely
Mario

I have identified one date. For now I will encode it as 92883.

I believe I may have spotted this one earlier had the nature of the accident(i.e. motorcycle crash) was revealed in the beginning. It was a case of Neptunian misdirection on my part.

I will research other dates in the next week using the same methodolgy to see whether this particular date is unique or just one among the likley candidates before decoding on August 31.

I was looking at spring 2005 based on SR and lunations.The transits on
10th June 2005 at 12:10 GMT+1 that's 13virgo42' asc look a bit threatening and the moon has just passed Wasat his natal ascendant star.

If I am wrong this time I will have to buy a hexagesimal calculator and get some remedial mathematical tutoring so I can do PD's. It is a long time since I did logarithms and cosines.

Matt

Thanks for the new contributions.

I want to re-emphasise a point I made earlier. It is hoped that this will be an interesting and informative experiment for all contributors, including those who get the date wrong. And most people should expect to get the date wrong. I am convinced that I would not have got the right date under these conditions. But in hindsight there is a lot to learn from this chart, especially if we look at it long enough to get familiar with it.

This challenge is not about competing against other astrologers. Ideally, taking it seriously means that you challenge yourself, and care enough about the answer that is published online to put some real thought into it. There is no point in being guarded or offering up encoded answers ? the whole thing should not be taken *that* seriously.

So I want to encourage contributors to relax, enjoy the opportunity, and be interested when the answer is given ? but don?t despair if it is not your answer, or care too much about getting the answer right. What really matters is that if you get a similar kind of situation from a client, you might have learned something valuable from this that helps you then.

Also, be aware that I might reveal the data before the 31st - it will be sometime around the end of the month.

Deb

Also, be aware that I might reveal the data before the 31st - it will be sometime around the end of the month.

All right, I will finish just in time to post at the time of that Cardinal T-square (2009 August 26, 21:34 BST) when the Cosmos will be in harmony for the subject under discussion.

If it occured with a Lunar return I'd have ot go with the July 20 date, as the TSun was aligned with moon in opposition to transiting Neptune, and in the August natal return it is off by itself although there is a Uranus factor in there that makes it a less than lovely day with chaos, I think the 20 july chart looks more detrimental. though 20 july to aug 3rd is only a few weeks time, and I'd say that entire month of time looked dangerous to the person, anyway I think that is the closest I could come with my current abilities.

Granny