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"I am wondering how Tzu Jan?s chart rectification managed to make the news."

I am always news. Must be my natal Jup on the my 11th house of Cancer. I tend to make big friends.

Seriously, this was my first attempt at posting a topic and I have no idea how I got here either.

Hi,

It seems that the website on extra.hu won't be available after march.31.
The alternative website:
http://sites.google.com/site/pymorinus/

Known bugs:
- the revolutions of a Julian-calendar-radix are calculated correctly but are shown with Gregorian calendar.
- ayanamsa with fixstars or antiscia/contraantiscia (is this really a bug!?)

These bugs wouldn't be a big deal to fix but currently I have no Windows so I wouldn't be able to build the executable.

rob

I am relocating Obama?s Natal Chart to Washington DC, 38N53:42, 077W02:12 with a birth certificate time of 7:24 PM AHST, Aug 4th 1961.

Atlantean or Isaac?could you provide Obama?s Topocentric Primary Directions for March & April 2010 for his DC relocated residence. Also, the same PD?S for his Honolulu birth location, 21N18:25, 157W51:30. This would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks, Steve

Hello Steve,

I'll be happy to hook you up, but Barack Obama was born at 7:21:27, not 7:24. The Topocentric Primary Directions, Secondaries, and PSSR aspects all indicate this.

Do you want the TPD's for the correct birthdata or for the rounded-off time?

(The Primary Directions REQUIRE (to be relevant) a very precise birthtime....to the minute is not precise enough.)

Also, relocation doesn't enter into Topocentric Primary Directions...

I'll be happy to provide what info you WANT, I am only trying to filter it so that it is useful information.

Let me know...

Take care, Steve

Peace

Atlantean

Hi Atlantean,

I rely on your experience over my non experience with Topocentric PD. I accept what you deem important. With the passage of Obama Care, soon to be signed into law, I am looking for appropriate symbolism which should reflect this huge event in Obama?s life.

Regards, Steve

Hello Steve,

Below are the Topocentric Primary Directions for Barack Obama for the Health Care Bill from his Radix.

I will let you decide for yourself about the symbolism of what is appropriate.

Remember that with Primary Directions, there is a completely different paradigm as aspects in the normal dynamic systems based on Transits. (ie. the Jupiter-Sun aspect that you see is a once-in-a-lifetime aspect and just "happens" to be to 0? 1' 38" at the right time...)

Additionally, don't hang on the minor aspects as many might. These have been EMPIRICALLY shown to be specifically relevant in THOUSANDS of examined events in this system.
Peace

Atlantean

Thanks Atlantean, I have been waiting for a major event on the World?s Stage with reliable birth data to ask you more about TPD?S. For this event with Obama-- I told myself before I inquired about your enthusiastic support for TPD?S, there should be some Jupiter symbolism preferably aspected to at least 1 of the 3 personal points, Sun, Moon, and MC/ASC. The Jupiter 135 Sun hit is a BIG BINGO and very appropriate symbolism for achieving success. If I understand your post?are you are saying Obama will not experience another TPD of his Jupiter to his Sun in his life? If so this is damn impressive considering History may one day prove Obama Care may be his greatest achievement as a President, although with much controversy among the people of the land.

I also find it very interesting there is a ?double whammy? of TPD?S for his lunar nodes and his MC. Of the four personal points of a chart the MC clearly is the supreme symbol pertaining to one?s Career/Goals/Objectives. Reinhold Ebertin taught the lunar nodes in our personal charts symbolizes our colleagues and close people who we are connected to in our personal environments. Some Ebertin quoted words pertaining to success (TPD Jupiter-Sun) with a mix of Lunar Nodes/MC symbolism:

?Principle: Personal relationships. A harmonious conduct within one?s personal environment as with regards to one?s associates or colleagues in work. Profitable team-work. The sharing of the same interest with other people.?

This Lunar Node/MC is obviously symbolizing his connections with his working (majority) colleagues in Congress. Atlantean, I am very impressed with this TPD symbolism and your support for TPD?S. I want to learn more about TPD?S!

I am a little confused about the rectified birth time for Obama. Did I miss a post somewhere stating the events used for this rectified time of 7:21:27? How was this done and what life events were used to rectify this time? Was this rectified time supplied by Isasic?s software program?

I tried to download the Astro program provided by your link a previous post but it would not download. At first I thought this was a problem with my computer (it is 32 bit) but later asked a friend to try and download but he also failed. He thinks something is wrong with the link. Any help in this area would be much appreciated.

Much Regards, Steve

PS if anyone sees any other appropriate symbolism pertaining to Obama?s recent success regardless of their astrological system?please post.

@Atlantean,

I was wondering if you can do some TPD magic with Tiger Woods chart.

Thanks

PD

Hello Steve,

Thank you for the nice comments!

The Jupiter 135 Sun hit is a BIG BINGO and very appropriate symbolism for achieving success.

I totally agree!

If I understand your post?are you are saying Obama will not experience another TPD of his Jupiter to his Sun in his life?

No, he WILL have other Jupiter-Sun contacts. At the time of the Health Care Vote, his Primary Directed Jupiter formed a sesquisquare to the Sun, as we are discussing. By Direct motion, THIS ASPECT can not happen again. I brought that up originally, to reinforce the idea that these are VERY RARE aspects. It is NOT anything like transiting Jupiter, where during 12 years (or so) it makes every aspect possible, since it has traveled 360?. To show you the rarity of these line-ups, I calculated the next Jupiter to Sun contacts for Obama. The next one, is a converse motion Jupiter trine Sun, in over 3-1/2 YEARS, partile on 11/3/2013... This is followed 9 YEARS later by a direct Jupiter trine Sun on 4/2/2022. Notice how long it takes his direct Jupiter-Sun sesquisquare (happening now) until it moves the 15? to form the trine.

I agree with you...this Primary Direction "came along" right at the time that he needed it most. Perhaps we are in agreement that this is NOT a coincidence...

Atlantean, I am very impressed with this TPD symbolism and your support for TPD?S. I want to learn more about TPD?S!

Isaac has a nice article about these systems posted on Noel Tyl's Website. I have written an article for Donna Cunningham (on rectification) that you can read at http://skywriter.wordpress.com/2009/11/ ... -possible/ The article explains and demonstrates a sample rectification and stresses some important points about the necessity for precise birthtimes. I hope you enjoy it. (I hope this doesn't seem like a shameless plug...I only quote it here, since you inquired...)

I am a little confused about the rectified birth time for Obama. Did I miss a post somewhere stating the events used for this rectified time of 7:21:27? How was this done and what life events were used to rectify this time?

I believe this is Isaac's rectification. I don't know how many events he used, though probably at least 20. Polaris was definitely used.

I tried to download the Astro program provided by your link a previous post but it would not download.

I just tried both downloads and they worked... try using the following links...

http://www.jamesalexander.de/astro.zip

http://www.jamesalexander.de/instructions.zip

[Don't forget that you need DosBox (simple Dos Wrapper) in order to use Astro on newer machines...]

Good luck....don't hesitate to ask if you have any questions or problems.

I am so incredibly sold on this system, Topocentric Primary Directions. I have looked at many systems and it is very reliable, and the events occur with the maturing aspects...which mature in under 0? 11' of arc!

Take care,

Peace

Atlantean

Hi Atlantean and Steve,
As each planet in PD is moving around one degree each year (the speed is different for each factor and for each chart, but it is around one degree), so a man who live 90 years, he will have in average 5 aspects (different aspects) in direct and 5 aspects in converse. In the dual test, he will have 40 aspects Jupiter/Sun, and of course 40 aspects Sun/Jupiter and so on for each pair of factors.
My final rectification for Obama:
Radix: 4 Aug 1961 7.21.17 PM AHST Asc 17Aqu16'
Epoch: 11 Nov 1960 10.08.57 UT Moon 17Leo22'
The TPD in dual test for his great victory on 21 March 2010:
Asc 120 Moon E/R 1'
Ven 0 Asc R/E 2'
Ven 0 MC R/E 3'
Mer 120 Asc R/R 3'
PAF 180 Jup E/E 8'
Jup 135 Sun R/R 2'
Moon 60 Mer E/R 2'
NN 30 MC R/R 2'
MC 30 Moon E/R 2'
III 0 Ura E/E 7'
Ven 90 Asc R/R 5'
Ura 60 NN E/E 5'
Secondary directions:
Mer 120 Asc E/R 9'
III 0 NN E/R 4'
Moon 60 Ura E/E 2'
Moon 60 Jup E/E 12'

Steve: to understand how rectification is made with Polaris read my article in Considerations vol 13, No. 2 pages 65-74: www.freeconsiderations.com

Hello Steve,

Since you asked about this system, I thought that I would demonstrate what I mean by high reliability of aspect symbolism to event in this system. I chose one at random from my files. Look at the nature of the event and then soak up the symbolism. In most cases, there are many more corroborative aspects... I am selecting the main ones for demonstration.

* Birth of Brother

MC semisquare Jupiter 0? 0' (can't get much closer than that)
Jupiter sesquisquare 3rd 0? 2'

* Death of Grandfather

Neptune trine Sun 0? 0' 2"
Saturn square 8th 0? 2'
S Node conjunct 8th 0? 9'

* Birth of Brother

3rd sextile Jupiter 0? 2'
IC conjunct Mars 0? 10'

* Death of Grandmother

MC sesquisquare Saturn 0? 1'
8th conjunct Uranus 0? 1'
Neptune sesquisquare MC 0? 3'
8th conjunct Moon 0? 6'

* Death of (other) Grandmother

Neptune semisquare Asc 0? 1'
Neptune semisquare Node 0? 2'
Saturn sesquisquare MC 0? 3'

* Illness

6th conjunct Saturn 0? 8'

* Started Relationship

MC sextile Venus 0? 0'
Venus conjunct Sun 0? 1'
Venus trine Asc 0? 4'
Moon conjunct Node 0? 6'
Venus conjunct Node 0? 8'

Let's do one more from the files...

* Birth of Sister

Moon conjunct 3rd 0? 3'

* Death of Grandfather

Asc square Saturn 0? 0'
Saturn semisextile Sun 0? 1'
Asc conjunct Neptune 0? 3'

* Death of Grandmother

Asc conjunct S Node 0? 0'
MC semisquare Saturn 0? 2'
Saturn sextile MC 0? 2'
Mars conjunct Moon 0? 3'
Venus conjunct 8th 0? 10'
Uranus opposite Venus 0? 10'

* Birth of Sister

Jupiter sextile Venus 0? 1'
Jupiter trine Mercury 0? 2'
Venus inconjunct 3rd 0? 2'
IC conjunct Venus 0? 3'

* Death of Friend

Pluto conjunct Venus 0? 0'
Uranus conjunct Dsc 0? 4'

* Auto Accident

Uranus square Mars 0? 0' 10"

* Met Future Wife

Moon conjunct Asc 0? 6'

As you can see, Steve, all of the events have relevant aspects, maturing with a very tight orb (simultaneously for the ones with multiple aspects listed).

Have fun checking out the Topocentric Primary Directions system. I think that you'll be pleasantly surprised...or if you're like me, constantly and repetitively amazed.


Peace

Atlantean

Thanks Atlantean for the new links?these work. The other link I tried must have expired.

Thanks Isaac for the link to your Considerations Article. I have read it but want to read it a few more times in order to better absorb your words. Pertaining to some words from your article where you state:

Isaac wrote: ?This system of directions from the sidereal solar return is one of the most powerful tools available for confirming the rectified time.?

When you use the words ?system of directions? in your above words?could you be more specific what you actually mean with ?this system directions?? I want to make sure I am on the same page with you.

Regards, Steve