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Not to interrupt, and not self-promotion, but I've had 18 hits from here today to the old blog looking for the post on how to set up Morinus.

The blog moved house. So if you're looking for the 'how do I get this thing to work now that it's on my computer, cos I want to make it direct terms and not lose all my settings' - here you go:

http://freakyfortuneteller.com/chanah/?p=1276

basically when the pd table comes up I'll get something like:
Z opposition mars d conjunct jupiter date

where z is zodical, opposition mars is the promittor, d is direct, conjunct mars is the signifier and date, the date it occurs.

Now I understand as the mobile moves and there are fixed points and as it moves certain promittors make aspects the the signifiers or vice versa depending on whose theory you are using.

What I don't understand is how you have two different aspects occuring here.

how is there and opposition mars and a conjunct jupiter. I would think either one or the other is going to occur and not both. So how would you read such an example. I'm kind of looking for the meaning of the nomenclature. Rob had pm me a page from Kolev which explained some of it. But it didn't particularly address this situation. At least not to my ability to understand it.

Tzu Jan

Tzu Jan

Pretend the conjunct sign isn't there in the 4th column. Seriously - at least if you're asking what I think you're asking. Only count a conjunct sign if it'in the second column. See if it makes sense that way - it probably will.

I can ignore that. It certainly makes more sense to ignore it. Thanks.

I believe the 'conjunct' symbol as used by Kolev (and adopted by Rob) is meant to emphasize the fact that a zodiacal projection of the planet in question is being used, rather than the actual body of the planet. I understand that it looks confusing, though.

Roughly as follows (there may be minor differences as this was adapted for the AstroFrames program):

Month Year Type Aspect_p Promissor (lat_p) "D"|"C" "->" Aspect_s
Significator (lat_s)

Month and Year: hit date

Type: "zo" means zodiacal a direction, with the latitudes of the promissor and
significator given immediately after them in parentheses. "mu" means
mundo directions, where the promissor and significator are taken on
their own primary paths.

Aspect_p : Designates the use of an aspect as promissor.

Promissor: The planet or aspect being directed.

(lat_p): kind of latitude used for promissor. When 0 latitude is used for an
aspect, the primary path is that of the aspect to the promissor on
the ecliptic.

"l = 0" means use of the primary path of the promissor's zodiacal
projection.

"l = r" (radix) means use of the promissor's primary path. Mundo
directions always use the primary paths of the promissor and
significator.

"D"|"C" : direction of movement. "D" is a direct primary (movement after the
radix); "C" is a converse primary (movement before the radix).
Lowercase designators are used for directions to cusps and angles to
help them stand out.

Aspect_s: Designates the use of an aspect as a significator. Mundo parallels
and contraparallels are listed as significator aspects, and are
designated by "||" and "==" respectively.

Significator: The point being directed to.

(lat_s) : kind of latitude used for significator. When 0 latitude is used for
an aspect, the primary path is that of the aspect to the significator
on the ecliptic.

"l = 0" means use of the primary path of the significator's zodiacal
projection.

"l = r" (radix) means use of the significator's primary path.

Martin Gansten wrote:I believe the 'conjunct' symbol as used by Kolev (and adopted by Rob) is meant to emphasize the fact that a zodiacal projection of the planet in question is being used, rather than the actual body of the planet. I understand that it looks confusing, though.

Since aspects belong to the signifs in mundane PDs and to the proms in zodiacal ones a program should be able to show the aspects in both cases.
I agree that the conjunction symbol shouldn't be shown (only the aspects(sextil, quadrat, trigon, oppositio)). It wouldn't be a big deal to remove the conjunctio symbol but in my opinion it is not so important. In case of mundane or zodiacal with latitude PDs the conjunctio means the body of the planet(long, latitude), in case of zodiacal without latitude it means the projection of the planet. In other words:
conjunctio Mars = Mars

Ed's post reminds me that my program doesn't show the (B=0) in case of zodiacal without latitude. The user knows this from the settings and perhaps the lines would have been too long, however I don't immediately recall why I didn't implement this (B=0).

rob

I've been trying to work with Morinus pd section lately. I'm fairly certain that my birth time is correct b/s a very good astrologer helped me rectify it. But when I run Morinus pd I don't find many if any dates hitting any major events in my life.

When I did a speculum ala Lilly, I took my Asc per se and ran down Virgo till there was a hit to the square of Sun 26Vir01, next terms of Mars 26vir26 and then opposition Saturn 29Vir12. Now I totaled a car on my 18th birthday and I was looking for something hitting any of these but don't find any. What do you think. BTW, I did have an accident the following easter break (April 1985) where I totaled another car, but this time injured my right arm.

What do you think is going on there?

Tzu Jan

Both of these sound like Mars events, but they would not necessarily involve the Asc. Would you mind sharing your chart/data? Perhaps they belong in a different thread, though.

http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic ... 2927#42927

let's carry it on here.

Tzu Jan

For those frustrated mac users, who like myself cant get Morinus to work through mac python (spent 4 hours struggling with it to no avail) - I found a neat app called CrossOver which basically wraps the Morinus windows exe up into a self contained app you can launch in your Finder window like any other mac app. You dont need to install the dreaded Windows...

It works pretty well it seems but its not free, sadly - although it does have 30 trial and isn't too expensive, and you dont have to fork out for a windows licence like with other emulators. I will be running Morinus using CrossOver for the duration of the 30 trial and see how it goes. So far so good

Aldebaran wrote:For those frustrated mac users, who like myself cant get Morinus to work through mac python (spent 4 hours struggling with it to no avail) - I found a neat app called CrossOver which basically wraps the Morinus windows exe up into a self contained app you can launch in your Finder window like any other mac app. You dont need to install the dreaded Windows...

I don't understand this
When you start the program by either:
python ./morinus.py
or
python morinus.py
on Mac (I don't know which one should be used on Mac. the "." means the current directory, so it means that you want to start this morinus and not some other in other directories. This is the Linux/Unix way, it is safer than Windows). As far as I know MacOS uses the Linux kernel, so in my opinion the first one should be used.
You should get an error message in the Terminal in case of a problem.

The other thing is that a MacOS-expert should be asked about this and not astrologers

I'll be able to help you only if you send me the error message.
Of course wxPython and the PIL should be installed and the sweastrology.so shoul dbe copied to the right place.

rob