My scoreline guessing was horrendous. If Moon/Pluto was not generous with goals in the Norwich/Chelsea game (- Torres must be going through a terrible Pluto period -) there were plenty of goals in the later games. 5 goals in the Wolves-Villa game (2-3) and 7 goals in the game between Fulham and Newcastle (5-2). Nope. There has to be another way of approaching the problem.

Well done on picking Bolton, Daz! Interesting.

Manchester City v Tottenham Hotspur 13:30, 22 Jan

I wonder if this is another chance for the underdogs. Yesterday at this time the favourites Chelsea struggled to a draw, similar could happen with Man City. L7 underdogs have JU ruler in 11th, quite dignified, sq Sun cusp 9th.

I'll go for a Spurs win but a draw will do of course.

Everton v Blackburn, draw 1-1. Everton in standard blue home kit, Blackburn in their yellow and black away kit.

Fulham v Newcastle, home 5-2 (!!). Fulham in standard white with black bits home kit (which we have taken as Saturn), Newcastle in their black third kit, (again very Saturn!).

QPR v Wigan, home 3-1. QPR in their blue and white striped home kit, Wigan in their away kit of dark blue with yellowy-green trim.

Stoke v West Brom, away 1-2. Stoke in their red and white home kit, West Brom in their home kit of very dark blue and white stripes.

Sunderland v Swansea, home 2-0. Sunderland in their red and white striped home kit, Swansea in their white home kit.

Wolves v Aston Villa, away 2-3. Wolves in their home orange kit, Aston Villa in their away kit of white shirk and claret shorts.

Perhaps someone can make sense of all this. I'm going to see what I can find. It does seem interesting that both Stoke and Sunderland wore red and white stripes and were both home favourites, Stoke lost, Sunderland won.

You did a good job, Graham

Fulham - Newcastle, it was the trickiest one. Both teams wore Saturnian kits. Saturn cannot be simultaneously the sig of both teams. So we have to differentiate. Apart Saturn, there is no other appropriate candidate, but Moon. So our sigs are Moon and Saturn.
Moon disposes ASC by house but herself is under power of Saturn. This is a clash of testimonies, the second being stronger than the first. This should have been the testimony for Newcastle. However, one should always look at the condition of the sect luminary and see how it is received by the sigs.

The sect luminary gives authority (power) to act, and must give virtue to the sig. In fact, any bad reception corrupts the sig. Here Saturn disposes the Sun but receives the latter from Libra which is the fall of the latter. So the Sun, though being under the rulership of Saturn, is disposed to harm him.

QPR - Wigan. Venus or Mercury for QPR, Saturn for Wigan. Venus or Mercury does not have any dignity on ASC, the disposition of luminaries are neutral, they are not conjunct, oppose or square a malefic, oppose or square POF or its lord, so I think we can expect no surprises here.

Stoke - West Brom. Mars for Stoke, Saturn for West Bromich. Mars has fall on ASC, but disposes the Moon (lady of ASC) by exaltation, which seems to moderate fall. Mars is stationary, which in this context seems to be a debility and is inconjuct the sect luminary, whereas Saturn rules both the luminaries and is corrupted only by the Sun.

Everton - Blackburn. Jupiter and Sun. Jupiter disposes ASC by exaltation, but is currupted by the Moon, lord of ASC and exalted lord of Jupiter. Moon was in Capricorn (fall of Jupiter).

Sunderland - Swansea. Mars and Moon. Moon is loosing that little light she has and is in the exaltation of Mars so giving virtue (strenght) to Mars.

Wolves - Sanderland. Sun and Moon. Sun has no dignities on ASC, is inconjunct and in his detriment.

We seem to be thinking that the usual L1/L7 way of looking at sports charts, and the colour method are an either/or choice. I wonder if we could think of colour as an additional testimony.

Janis has a particular way of using the kit colours to give two significators, and then has a method of evaluating them. I have been speculating about how methods most of us are more used to could be used.

Suppose we stay with L1 and L7 (and radicallity, reception, and all the usual techniques), but also look at the state (essential and accidental dignity, aspects, disposition, etc.) of the colour significators for the two teams; this then gives us another insight, another testimony, which may or may not agree with the usual analysis.

But I want to make a simplification. Perhaps the colour of the kit worn in a particular match is not what matters. The home kit colour is the colour the team is associated with. It is often the colour of the seating in the stadium. It is the colour we immediately associate with that team.

So, Liverpool, Arsenal, Manchester United, for example are Red. It does not matter that they are wearing their away kit, they are still red teams. The supporters will be wearing red, in everyone's mind they will be red.

Similarly, Chelsea, Everton are Blue. It does not matter what they wear, they are blue in the public's mind.

Now, sometimes a red team plays a red team, and so they are both signified by Mars. In that case we rely on L1/L7 reasoning. It does not matter. The colour is just another testimony, not the only testimony.

At the moment I have only just started looking into this in detail, but thought it worth sharing the thought at this stage. So, go on, shoot me down

Graham

It's good you are asking these questions. There has to be a key somewhere. The starting point of the astrologer is that 'time is everything'. If this were true there would be no point in training or putting together a good team, it would simply be the matter of 'when' to launch your attack. So as astrologers we may moderate our approach from 'that time is everything' to a clausal that says that when all other things are equal 'time does play a part'.

I do think we are suggesting that 'time' does reveal something about the contest or the balance or the contest. Time does reveal something about the design of affairs. There could still be different ways to look at the events of a football match. If the home team scores a goal in the first half and then the visiting team manages to equalize in the second half, then in fact both goals have occurred on the same half of the pitch. Then sometimes a player with score a hat-trick and most of the events seem to gather around that one person alone.

Basically, a football game as a matching of two teams, two collective units. The purpose of the game is to conquer the opponent on the bridge and either defend or beseige the ground/home castle. But a series does not consist of one game alone either and league tactics (or developments) may also have influence on how a series of battles are fought.

What is football all about? There is hardly a local boy in the first 11 of any upper league team nowadays anyhow. So when I say Arsenal, is there reference to Africa in view of the great players that originate from that continent?

So, Liverpool, Arsenal, Manchester United, for example are Red. It does not matter that they are wearing their away kit, they are still red teams. The supporters will be wearing red, in everyone's mind they will be red.

Similarly, Chelsea, Everton are Blue. It does not matter what they wear, they are blue in the public's mind.

Now, sometimes a red team plays a red team, and so they are both signified by Mars. In that case we rely on L1/L7 reasoning. It does not matter. The colour is just another testimony, not the only testimony.

In fact it is what I have started to do. With respect to other teams it is not so simple, for if their home kit were a mixture of light colours - Mercury who by definition is changeable and takes on the properties of the sign in which it is in, of the planet with whom it is in aspect, etc.

Although the colour method seems to be in general correct, I would like to have better results. It's very hard to decide which testimony shall prevail if there are conflicting ones. There is always a high risk to back the wrong horse.

My suggestion is to monitor all Premier League teams over a period of time, in particular those as to signification of which we do not have doubt (Arsenal, Liverpool, Manchester United, Manchester City, Chelsea, Everton, Newcastle). I am sure we will find the method how to puzzle it out.

FA Cup

Arsenal - Villa, 16.00 GMT
Asc 2LE31 MC 8AR55 Moon 22AR51 POF 16LI13
Day Sun, Hour Saturn - Sun disposed by Saturn, Saturn holds two lesser dignities on the ascendant, not radical but interesting

Mercury sits on the descendant and opposes the ascendant, but even more tightly Jupiter (Villa?) aspects the ascendant p? square. It is an opening of gates. The Sun, L1, is in an angular house and aspects the MC by sextile. From the aspect of the Sun I expect Arsenal to prevail and due to the opposition of Mercury I believe they should manage at least to goals. But Villa are a good cup team, and Jupiter (which I believe is one of there natural significators) is in the game. Arsenal could win 2-0, but 2-1 or 3-2 might be a better guess. I hope for an exciting game and 3-2 sounds like fun!

Arsenal - Aston Villa 3-2 !!

Odds: 20:1

I am posting the chart for the Arsenal - Aston Villa game, mainly because I haven't often succeeded in getting the scoreline right. Maybe it was just luck or coincidence, but the chart can be examined bearing in mind the positions of Mercury and Jupiter, which indicate an 'opening of gates' and may be a clue to the number of goals.
All goals were scored on the same side of the pitch; Villa scoring two in the first half, then in the 2nd half Arsenal scored 3 goals in the matter of 7 minutes. The 1st and 3rd goal of Arsenal were penalties. The Sun, L1, is detrimented in the 7th.

Argh! Mercury is 3 degrees Aquarius, but Jupiter 2 degrees in Taurus.
What a stupid coincidence!

Andrew, I'm not following this! Could you please explain the astrology of 'opening the gates'. This is not an astrological topic I know about.

Thanks,

Graham

'Opening the gates' - Al Birumi, or referred to by Coley.
Is the planets that rule opposite signs in a 'hard' aspect to one another.

What a pity that there are all these games being played at 19.45 GMT this evening. That makes any judgement messy. I wanted to check out the Premier League game between Wolves and Liverpool. I will include my comments on the chart, although they may have limited value.

Wolverhampton - Liverpool, 19.45 GMT
Odds: 4,75 3,70 1,75
Asc 12VI20 MC 6GE25 Moon 18TA21 POF 19SG21 Spirit 5GE19
Day Mars, hour Mars - not radical.

The lack of radicailty could move the result away from the favourite, but Mars, LHr, is in the 1st of the home team. Mercury, L1, at 6AQ45 is trine the MC. The Part of Spirit is 5GE19 and also close the MC. This could favour the hero's or maybe the underdogs (or an act of heroism). The Moon opposes 19 Scorpio, so there could be sticks in the wheel or an unexpected play of fate.

I would be interesting to see this may sense and there are other games about where maybe POS (Part of Spirit) is closer the MC. Wolves can be quite agressive and will be out the show their best at home. 1-0 is priced at 12,5:1. The scoreline 2-0 is priced at 24:1 and 2-1. But does it make sense?