Hello Deb,

Re: "If I am completely wrong (as I have been before and will be again) I will do one of two things
1) assume the data wasn't very well recorded,
2) look again at what I missed and what I might learn."

I found your comment very interesting.

When faced with being wrong about reading something from a chart, the FIRST assumption is, the data is wrong. The SECOND assumption is that you might have missed something.

I am the same way, but it's interesting. I think it brings up the idea that (most) astrologers get so used to being the answer grape that when faced with not having the answer, the first line of inquiry is external (bad data) before it's internal (personal mistake). To put the nicest spin on that, let's say we're confident.

Peace

James

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Well, I should have taken more than 2 minutes then, huh? :-D Congratulations on anyone who got any right.

I'm happy too...

Firstly because I hate to be wrong but even because when I started to study Ptolemy's method I was sure it was not right, but the more I see, the more I persuaded the method is effective.

margherita

Oh dear, now my interpretations sound really stupid when I read them again.
But still, it's a great learning tool and study material.

I hope more of those excersises will follow.

And especially hope that you guys don't mind me participating, eventhough I'm no match to the experts here.
Reading back my answers... oh dear....I really have a long way to go before I can consider myself an astrologer

But hey...I got one chart right !!!

Ah great. For me these things are sometimes a greater test of nerve than astrological skill ? I only felt confident after reading Cor Scorpii?s very thoughtful analysis at the end. That really put the points together nicely. I don?t know any of these characters and am looking forward to getting the data. I?d also be interested to know if those who wished they could have had the outer planet data would have changed their positions significantly if they had. It seems to me that there was a strong consensus overall which doesn?t prove anything but is nice to observe.

James wrote:I found your comment very interesting.

When faced with being wrong about reading something from a chart, the FIRST assumption is, the data is wrong. The SECOND assumption is that you might have missed something.

Hi James ? yes, I was being a bit tongue-in-cheek, but still, it?s true
Years ago Sue Toohey used to send me collections of charts like this, six at a time, to see if I could identify the one person who had some kind of notable feature or experience. I would normally eliminate the first three or four easily, until the time she sent me six charts and explained that only one of them had committed murder. When you look for something horrible in a chart it?s so easy to see it. I really struggled with that one and if my judgment had carried weight several upstanding citizens would have been hung, and the murderer would have got off scot-free. But I did learn a lot from that experience, although now I can?t remember what it was.

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Thanks Tom!

I love stuff like this, hopefully we can do some more of this!

I think a lot of us saw the musician as chart one.

I'm quite interested in the cardinal's chart though as I really wasn't sure about that one. I look forward to researching him later and discovering more about his life.

In the end at the last minute I changed my mind and went for the angular mars for the sportsmen but I just know if I was given more time I'd have changed my mind back again. I'm going to read back on what everyone said for why they chose the sportsmen as chart 2.

The more I do natal astrology the more convinced I am that really the angular planets are where the action happens more so than anything else. Like if you had to only go for one thing I'd focus on an angular planet quicker than i would anything else. Maybe this exercise is a reminder of that.

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thanks for the fun exercise tom!

after accidentally stumbling on brubecks chart and your mention of a football player as one of the other 2, it was much easier to see given the strong mars in chart 2, but i had to remove myself from commenting! i was persuaded by leo rising and all those planets in the 5th for a musician, but it could be a sports figure even more with that strong mars. my gut on some level said chart 1 musician, but i went with 2.. your additional info later in the exercise helped clarify it for me.

if is interesting how brubeck has really included his family in his musical life. all of his sons are musicians and have been involved with him regularly performing with him and embracing his path as a musician to a great extent. perhaps this is reflected in the saturn position in his chart on some level..

i hope we can do more of these exercises.

I think that Venus out of sect and not aspecting MC as Mark and others point out was the clinching aspect of chart 3 not being a musician.

But coming from the Archdiocese of Philadelphia and unaffected by the child abuse scandal, maybe Jupiter and Spica raised his stature and protected him.

Lilly wouldn't be so kind to this chart.

PD

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