bob.mitchell (firefly) wrote:This gave Mars on the Ascendant at 27 deg 12 min and the Sabian symbols says; "A man in deep gloom. Unnoticed angels came to help." A pity about that. Unfortunately, the chart is not radical , the ascendant being at 29deg 30min Libra, but the Sabian symbols seem to work.

Hi Bob,

from where do you the Sabian Symbols you use? I use the ones from Dane Rudhyar's "An astrological mandala" and they don't seem to match with what you say above? I think I recall Jones originally produced them but thought the symbols as such were the same although the interpretive writing may differ.

For 27 LIB 12 (which in Rudhyar's count as the 28th deg) I have:

A man becoming aware of spiritual forces surrounding and assisting him.

Which sound as something that could be an interpretation/description of the same "picture" as yours, but with another style of wordings.

al Nablusi wrote:I am watching CNN now, and the Malaysian PM has stated that the based on new analyses the flight "ended in the Southern Indian Ocean". May the souls of all the victims rest in peace, amen.

One thing that strikes me though, looking at the satellite images that have been provided, is what a lousy image quality they all have had, which really raises the question how they can draw any conclusions from this?

Ok, a bit conspirational, but I believe the sat image quality of Google Earth is better indeed, so have they pixel the images and what is it then they don't want us to see?

As the latest news came through I also did a horary on the questiom "Did MH370 really go down in SIO?" at the time 15:04:16 CET and at my location it gives ASC 0deg 10' Virgo, conjunct Pallas just at the very end of Leo, Asc Lord Mercury in Pisces conj Neptune, in 7th and the House lord Saturn conj Ic.

I'm really just in the very beginning of my Horary studies, although I'm far from new to astrology, and don't really dare to decide if it's a yes or now, but intuitively it feels a bit as if it's a cover up, and considering Mc is in Taurus with Venus in AQ, in 6th, it might be that this simply starts to cost too much money for all involved and the hope they really will find anything is pretty slim, even if it in fact when down in SIO.

As usually the Sabian Symbol for Asc is pretty telling:

In a portrait, the significant features of a man's head are artistically emphasized

Edit:

On press conference Malaysian PM wrote:Using a type of analysis never before used in an investigation of this sort, they have been able to shed more light on MH370?s flight path.

Based on their new analysis, Inmarsat and the AAIB have concluded that MH370 flew along the southern corridor, and that its last position was in the middle of the Indian Ocean, west of Perth.

So what he actually say here is that with this new analyses, never used before, they now actually know where it hit the waters. So shouldn't they then focus and intensify searching from there to obtain the black box, instead of blowing off the search?

I see your point.

But, the same question could be asked of any chart interpretation, no matter the technique one adopts. If one cannot draw any conclusion from locating and examining the debris, to see whether they are actually parts of the fuselage of the aircraft, how can we astrologers (me included) draw better conclusions by just gazing at our computer screens?

No polemic meant.

Quote from the natal chart interpretation from Solar Fire:-
The Sabian Symbol and wording of the symbol is from:
"The Sabian Symbols in Astrology" by Dr. Marc Edmund Jones (c) The Marc Edmund Jones Literary Trust. First published in 1993 by Aurora Press, PO Box 573, Santa Fe, New Mexico 87504, USA.

28TH DEGREE OF LIBRA
Part of Body: Bladder
Sabian Symbol: A man in deep gloom. Unnoticed, angels come to his help.

It is cut and pasted out a natal chart interpretation.
Lazy man's way.

To many colleagues and classmates who knew Mr. Zaharie, he was noteworthy precisely because he didn't stand out. "Zaharie is the ideal pilot, an invisible pilot,"

Found this statement quite telling given Zaharie's strong chart geometry is made of inconjunct aspects. Inconjunct showing a planet in a position of not being seen.

kali

Well it seems like the suicide theory is the most likely after all as hidden stuff comes to light.

The Telegraph Live blog on 29th March wrote: 10.00 The Mail on Sunday has picked up some purported comments from the daughter of Capt Zaharie Ahmad Shah allegedly made in a police interview last week.

It says:

Aishah Zaharie, 28, the pilot?s daughter, said that in her last conversations with her father, she barely recognised the man who used to dote on her. ?He wasn?t the father I knew. He seemed disturbed and lost in a world of his own,? she said.

Last week, Faizah and Aishah, along with other family members, were interviewed in detail by police in Kuala Lumpur. The lengthy interviews, described in detail to The Mail on Sunday by a source close to the pilot?s family, revealed that:

? Zaharie was on the brink of divorcing his wife after nearly 30 years of marriage.

? He refused to attend marriage counselling with Islamic elders.

? He shunned family and spent hours alone on his flight simulator.

? He expressed ?utter frustration? at the jailing of his political hero, Anwar Ibrahim, hours before the flight.

Of course, "Mail on Sunday" may not be the most reliable source but in this case I'm apt to believe them.

EDIT: Actually, suicide isn't really the proper heading here, mass murder must be a more accurate description.

Thanks, JS. Hyades, on the 7th conjunct Moon can be interpreted as "nymphs who wept over their brother Hyas, killed by a boar."

kali

In solar fire using "Solar Maps" using "animate chart" it is possible to see the various lines progress across the sky and I would think that the pilot would see the sun rising (Sun ascendant conjunct Neptune), the pilot would turn into the setting sun as the plane ran out of fuel, first one engine then the other and then he would say goodbye to the world and dive it in from 35,000 feet - that's what I would do. At 8:11am the last ping, he could be a lot closer to Australia than anybody thought may be even than the recent searches..

I remember once paragliding at 10pm in Scotland the wind got up just enough to enable us to fly before dark, we launched into the setting sun (this is what it's all about I thought) and then landing in the semi-darkness down below at the bottom of the hill. What a buzz. Especially after hitting a catabatic wind - my stomach just about popped out my mouth.

Do you think the wings would stay on?

In solar maps, Uranus is on the Ascendant and Pluto on the MC over Perth, Australia and this would be advancing on MH370 at 08:11 AM.

Jim Lewis once gave us a talk and he said that crossing Pluto on the MC line was definitely problematic and would often stop people from progressing beyond it, at least temporarily.

I found this rather interesting theory and wonder if any support for it can be found in the Take off chart, like Moon in Gemini on Descendant?

Also notable with this is that the Captain, who's supposed to be a very skilled pilot, has his Sun in a perfect sextile to the Take off chart's Moon and trine its Ascendant.

Notable is also that the Mail on Sunday story has been heavily denied by the daughter.

I like your "rather interesting theory" but does it still apply now that this is the 31st March and much water has passed under the bridge since his theory was written? Re. Immarsat has decided it is the southern leg that MH370 flew?

There could also be a mistake in the calculations this is the second time they have changed location and no new debris has been found today.

My theory is that there was a cockpit fight when the plane rose to 45,000 feet and the high-jacker won out. Most of the people had died from hypoxia after 15 minutes in the mask. Though I am not sure; did it plummet to earth to 12,000 feet directly when it stalled? This would mean they would have survived but a bit shaken.

I'll check its new flight path assuming it went over India etc. just now.

this doesnt look like its working

im trying to paste an image file for an AstroCartoGraph showing where the last ping was heard from at 8:11 but it doesnt seem to be hapening

I have the file on board the pc as aa bitmap what now?????????????????????????????????????

its betting lkate ie 00:44 tue tome to go

The pilot and I have much in common - Asc and Sun Leo and Moons conjunct in Pisces

There is a paran Saturn on MC and Venus cnj Asc right on Turkmanistan.

There must be an easier way to pont a chaet but ive read most of it and non of it makes any sense.