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Alfred Witte's Kronos - Earthquakes

As Therese has already written here, Jupiter plays a role in the earthquakes.

Therese Hamilton wrote :

I notice in all three of these sets of charts that Jupiter plays a role.

http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=9219


Used :

1 - Krishnamurti Ayanamsa : 23°45'56" for Year 2000.
Speed of precession is 50.2388475
2 - Mean Node
3 - Harmonic 16
4 - Capricorn Solar Ingress.
5 - Transits



https://ia601404.us.archive.org/14/item ... quakes.pdf

Cemal this is a nice set of earthquakes to work with, so I've printed this (relatively short number of cases for you!) for further study. There are a few questions and comments regarding your study.

How did you decide on Kronos for the study of earthquakes when this isn't a common signification for Kronos? You also used Kronos to predict that President Trump would remain in office in 2021 which is in line with the standard manifestations of Kronos as related to government and heads of state.

When tropical astrologers calculate the Capricorn ingress, they mean to emphasize the winter solstice. But when members of the Fagan school began to use the Capricorn ingress for events, they used the sidereal Capricorn ingress. This isn't the same thing, and I've always wondered why no one pointed out that the original emphasis on the Capricorn ingress was the solstice date and not the sign Capricorn as such.

In my earthquake research I've used the monthly solar ingress rather than the single Capricorn ingress. I'm going to have to go back and re-post the charts on the site you linked since they were erased by TinyPic. Then I want to review some of the earthquakes you have examined.

It's interesting that when taking the standard solar ingress charts, the use of the Krishnamurti and Fagan-Bradley ayanamsas produce ingress charts with ascendants that are close, but not exact. This is because there are only 59 minutes between the two ayanamsas. Of course the position of the Moon would be significantly different in the two charts as they are a day apart, though the other planets will be close in relation to angles. But with your techniques the differences would be greatly magnified. It's true that astrological research needs to be very precise if we want to see valid results.

Therese Hamilton wrote: How did you decide on Kronos for the study of earthquakes when this isn't a common signification for Kronos? You also used Kronos to predict that President Trump would remain in office in 2021 which is in line with the standard manifestations of Kronos as related to government and heads of state.

Alfred Witte once wrote :
The second Transneptun-Planet Hades
By A. Witte

"Every astrologer has a responsibility, in a way, to collect his experiences in this regard and to share them with the readers of this magazine by publishing them, so that in the course of time, clarity about the effects of this yet unknown planet can be obtained."

In my opinion it also applies to the other Transneptunian-Planets.
Alfred Witte wrote it for almost a hundred years, but so far the meaning of the Transneptunians is not expanding. This means that the meanings are the same as a hundred years ago. Therefore one should not limit oneself with what is written in the books. My suicide, stroke and cancer formulas are also very different from the Hamburg School. If I find everything that is in the books correct and complete, I don't need to do any research, I think.

The planets always have, I mean always, positive and negative meanings. So when a planet makes someone king, it can also cause earthquakes.

Actually, when I research any disease, I first check the definition of the disease and which organs are affected. But in such cases I look at several examples first at the sun in transits and in progressions with which planets form planetary pictures, without having previously defined any planets and planetary pictures. Mostly I can identify conspicuous planet pictures after 4-5 examples, if not then I start again until I find it. Then I search for these planet pictures.

When tropical astrologers calculate the Capricorn ingress, they mean to emphasize the winter solstice. But when members of the Fagan school began to use the Capricorn ingress for events, they used the sidereal Capricorn ingress. This isn't the same thing, and I've always wondered why no one pointed out that the original emphasis on the Capricorn ingress was the solstice date and not the sign Capricorn as such.

In Hamburg School, they use winter solistice in mundane astrology. Therefore I used Capricorn Ingress. I could have used other Cardinal Ingresses, but I do not know what the result would be. There is still much research to be done.

In my earthquake research I've used the monthly solar ingress rather than the single Capricorn ingress. I'm going to have to go back and re-post the charts on the site you linked since they were erased by TinyPic. Then I want to review some of the earthquakes you have examined.

I studied your research carefully, I thank you for your research, Therese. It inspired me.

Linchi wrote:

Alfred Witte wrote it for almost a hundred years, but so far the meaning of the Transneptunians is not expanding. This means that the meanings are the same as a hundred years ago. Therefore one should not limit oneself with what is written in the books. My suicide, stroke and cancer formulas are also very different from the Hamburg School. If I find everything that is in the books correct and complete, I don't need to do any research, I think.

The planets always have, I mean always, positive and negative meanings. So when a planet makes someone king, it can also cause earthquakes.

Cemal, I hope you have a book in process which includes your original and expanding research on the Transneptunians. This is a difficult area for astrologers as they question the existence of those stellar bodies. It seems that Cosmobiology has rejected the Transneptunians without research or investigation. I assume that these planets are included in most modern astrological software. Is there a hard copy (printed) ephemeris for these planets that you recommend?

Actually, when I research any disease, I first check the definition of the disease and which organs are affected. But in such cases I look at several examples first at the sun in transits and in progressions with which planets form planetary pictures, without having previously defined any planets and planetary pictures. Mostly I can identify conspicuous planet pictures after 4-5 examples, if not then I start again until I find it. Then I search for these planet pictures.

It would be good if astrologers followed your model for researching an event or disease: beginning with a number of similar cases and looking for patterns. This is a logical approach, but it seems that even that approach takes more discipline than many astrologers demonstrate.

I studied your research carefully, I thank you for your research, Therese. It inspired me.

I am honored!! But this is the way astrology should work where one person's research inspires others to either work to replicate a finding or perhaps suggest a related project to test a finding. So here we have two different ways of looking at ingress charts, both of which suggest that Jupiter plays a role in earthquakes.

Too often astrologers work as isolated units with little thought or questions asking if their methods and techniques are valid. So we have the situation we are seeing with the predictions for the outcome of the U.S.A. presidential election. We see exactly the same techniques used by different astrologers giving opposite predictions for both Trump and Biden. Thus astrology becomes an exercise in subjectivity with no one definitely knowing if the procedures and approach they are using are valid. Astrology becomes like religion. Decisions are based on personal belief as to how techniques work.

This situation has frustrated me for many years, and I will most likely be leaving this life with a few thousand astrological questions unanswered. It may be that astrology can make progress in sorting out truth from fiction only when it can become a respected academic discipline in universities. Then astrologers would be forced to do research together and make progress in setting up astrology as a science.

But today many believe that astrology isn't a science at all, but a metaphysical "spiritual" study. Actually, I accept that astrology is both a science (as yet mainly undiscovered) and a metaphysical study. Perhaps some day the two will come together and astrology will be known for its accuracy in prediction.

Therese Hamilton wrote: Cemal, I hope you have a book in process which includes your original and expanding research on the Transneptunians.

I am currently finishing a work with Transneptunian Zeus. It will take another two weeks.

This is a difficult area for astrologers as they question the existence of those stellar bodies. It seems that Cosmobiology has rejected the Transneptunians without research or investigation.

Back then the Transneptunians rejected many. Cosmobiology should have said that the solar arcs were Alfred Wittes discovery.

I assume that these planets are included in most modern astrological software. Is there a hard copy (printed) ephemeris for these planets that you recommend?

Solar fire has these planets. You only have to switch on which ones you need.
I do not use any printed ephemeris, but can I recommend this :

https://www.witte-verlag.com/books-inte ... -2070.html


from USA :

https://uranianastrologybooks.com/produ ... ephemeris/

Too often astrologers work as isolated units with little thought or questions asking if their methods and techniques are valid. So we have the situation we are seeing with the predictions for the outcome of the U.S.A. presidential election. We see exactly the same techniques used by different astrologers giving opposite predictions for both Trump and Biden. Thus astrology becomes an exercise in subjectivity with no one definitely knowing if the procedures and approach they are using are valid. Astrology becomes like religion. Decisions are based on personal belief as to how techniques work.

Many astrologers, I believe, are influenced by the media, or do they have a desired candidate who should win. Then one is no longer objective.

This situation has frustrated me for many years, and I will most likely be leaving this life with a few thousand astrological questions unanswered. It may be that astrology can make progress in sorting out truth from fiction only when it can become a respected academic discipline in universities. Then astrologers would be forced to do research together and make progress in setting up astrology as a science.

As long as astrologers believe that they must know that everything is already in the books, nobody will do research. We do not even know what the nodes mean. And an astrologer writes that he does not use the node. It is unbelievable.

But today many believe that astrology isn't a science at all, but a metaphysical "spiritual" study. Actually, I accept that astrology is both a science (as yet mainly undiscovered) and a metaphysical study. Perhaps some day the two will come together and astrology will be known for its accuracy in prediction.

Through my research, what I have seen so far, I am of the opinion and conviction that astrology is a mathematically exact science. But it is so complicated and the planets have so many different meanings, we need several thousand years to figure out, if as long as so many astrologers do not research.