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Astrological Research - Abortions and Miscarriages

Used :

1 -Astrology Software :

a-Zet Astrology Software
b-Nova Chartwheels

2 -Sidereal zodiac (Krishnamurti Ayanamsa), Mean Node.
23°45'56" for Year 2000. Speed of precession is 50.2388475.
Secondary Progression : 1 sidereal day = 1 sidereal year

3 -Harmonic 256

https://ia601406.us.archive.org/18/item ... riages.pdf

From Cemal Cicek's study "Astrological Research: Abortions and Miscarriages"

The astrologers must find at least for the important events planetary pictures which have validity for each and forever. This is very important because the astrologers will better understand the meanings of the planets.

This is a BIG statement!! (bolded italics mine) This study didn't have the usual introductory list of names of the charts discussed. Is it possible to have a list of names, birth data and dates of these events? I would like to look at some cyclic charts for these cases. I assume that for the public names the data is from AstroDatabank? Are the abortions and miscarriages also listed in ADB? (I couldn't find the event for Lucille Ball with a quick ADB scan as it wasn't listed in "Events" list.)

For those who haven't checked Linchi's link, the planetary picture for these events involves Neptune, Rahu and Mercury. Also Mars/Saturn can be involved because "it also means the death of a living being."

If someone in the Radix has these planetary pictures and wants a safe birth, then she should take care that the above planetary pictures by the returns and/or progressions are not activated.

Cemal Cicek, "Astrological Research: Abortions and Miscarriages" (18 September 2020)

It would be helpful if I and others could use cyclic charts or other techniques to test the prominence of planets isolated by your research, Cemal. This would increase interest in your research as we don't have the software to exactly duplicate the planetary pictures. But we need full data for testing. It is time consuming to scroll through pages of charts to excerpt the data although the charts are necessary to see the planetary pictures involved.

Therese Hamilton wrote: Is it possible to have a list of names, birth data and dates of these events?

There were not so many examples, so I did not add the list of names. Here is the list :

Amos, Tori
Astor, Mary
Ball, Lucille
Bica, Michelle
Bombeck, Erma
Bow, Clara
Browning, Elizabeth Barrett
Cameron, Marjorie
Carey, Mariah
Chiodini, Una
Dennis, Sandy
Dubin, Michael
Eddington, Nora
Edward, Prince (1964)
Ellis, Ruth
Fallaci, Oriana
Research:Family Distress 44280
Fitzgerald, Zelda
Fossey, Dian
Fraser, Dawn
Frey, Amber
Gardner, Ava
Giancana, Toni
Gifford, Kathie Lee
Goldberg, Whoopi
Hepburn, Audrey
Johnson, Lady Bird
Jones, Jennifer
Kaldera, Raven
Keeler, Christine
Kennedy, Joan
Kennedy, Ted
Kerrigan, Nancy

I would like to look at some cyclic charts for these cases. I assume that for the public names the data is from AstroDatabank? Are the abortions and miscarriages also listed in ADB? (I couldn't find the event for Lucille Ball with a quick ADB scan as it wasn't listed in "Events" list.)

Like Lucille Ball in some of the examples, I could not find the event. The event data is not available at astro.com. Therefore I could not control with progressions and returns. The examples I have used are here.

https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Ca ... _Abortions

https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Ca ... scarriages

Therese Hamilton wrote: It would be helpful if I and others could use cyclic charts or other techniques to test the prominence of planets isolated by your research, Cemal.

What is Therese, if with your techniques that my planets, which I have shown, are not on a prominence position ?

Linchi wrote:

What is Therese, if with your techniques that my planets, which I have shown, are not on a prominence position ?

Then I would have to ask if my techniques are valid? Maybe not. (We will see if KP techniques, which place President Trump again in office are valid, as your use of Kronos predicts.)

Astrologers need to have ways to check the results of research they read about. Otherwise they don't know if the research is valid. So they have to:

(1)Attempt to replicate the research with new data, or if that isn't possible due to not having the correct software, then:

(2) Attempt to study the cases with other techniques they have been using.

However, research invoking the TNPs is difficult as many of us aren't familiar with those planets. Also if we don't use those planets, we can't apply the results in any practical way in our own work. This is why your present research (Abortions and Miscarriages) is good for anyone to study because it doesn't involve the TNPs.

Linchi wrote:

There were not so many examples, so I did not add the list of names. Here is the list:

Nice to have the list of names! But are we going to look up all the birth and event data since you have already done so? If this were available, I would immediately set up some cyclic test charts.

This is true for all research. All the data needs to be up front and center so we can right away test our techniques to compare with the research already completed. I think this is a big problem for astrologers. The results of research are displayed, but if all the data isn't carefully presented and organized for immediate retrieval, we read about the research, but can't otherwise study the data in other ways. So there is no further communication about the research.

Therese Hamilton wrote: (1)Attempt to replicate the research with new data, or if that isn't possible due to not having the correct software, then:

On the two Astro.com pages that I have written above, there are also other examples that I have not worked on. You may also find other examples.

(2) Attempt to study the cases with other techniques they have been using.

I have prepared my examples with harmonic 256. If you with harmonic 1 could see what I showed , we didn't need harmonic 256 or other harmonics that I use. As in the vedic astrology, if everything could be seen in Rasi, you would not need the divisional charts.

Therese Hamilton wrote: Nice to have the list of names! But are we going to look up all the birth and event data since you have already done so? If this were available, I would immediately set up some cyclic test charts.

I have also written the event data, which are on the astro.com. Should I prepare them as a list. ? Don't you think that the reader should also spend some time if he/she is interested? Where my researches are not welcome by most astrologers, why should I do it ? My researches are not worth mentioning anyway.

This is true for all research. All the data needs to be up front and center so we can right away test our techniques to compare with the research already completed. I think this is a big problem for astrologers. The results of research are displayed, but if all the data isn't carefully presented and organized for immediate retrieval, we read about the research, but can't otherwise study the data in other ways. So there is no further communication about the research.

I have given you all the data you need.
If you just want to test with your techniques, you can forget it anyway.

Linchi wrote:

I have given you all the data you need.

Oh, I didn't check the links as I was also involved in another task and was rushing to do something else. Apologies. It seems that the only other technique that might provide useful results would be a systematic study of varga charts which are another type of harmonic.

As for replication, any researcher can do the replacation himself if there are enough cases. One shuffles the data and divides the cases into two separate studies. If they both provide the same results, then the replication is acceptable as evidence.

Therese Hamilton wrote:As for replication, any researcher can do the replacation himself if there are enough cases. One shuffles the data and divides the cases into two separate studies. If they both provide the same results, then the replication is acceptable as evidence.

It depends on which astrological system you have. Because other astrological systems cannot find e.g. tropical, vedic or uranian, because they have not yet found what I have found, a control with these astrological systems will not solve anything. In other words, the other systems cannot test my discoveries. Conversely, however, my astrological system can test all claims of other astrological systems and clearly determine whether they are true or not.

hubris is a dangerous thing...

james_m wrote:hubris is a dangerous thing...

This is not hubris but rather I trust my system. Why should it be dangerous, if I trust my system ? Many problems in astrology can only be solved with my system. It has been clear to me for a long time that many astrologers do not like it, because for some their illusions would collapse. Many still do not want to believe that they live in an astrological illusion. I wish them a lot of fun.