Of Marriage
Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2022 5:09 pm
Danièle Jay in her last book 'Le Ciel en mouvement' delivers a good understanding from the teachings of the late Giuseppe Bezza.
In chapter VII, she analyses chart examples from the point of view of Ptolemy's Tetrabiblos, Book 4, Chapter 5 on marriages.
Harmony
We know that Ptolemy's view on marriages was rather succint as he considered only the Sun and the Moon for compatibility and the harmonious aspects and reception between the Luminaries (namely the sextile, the trine and signs that 'see' (antiscia, equidistant from the solstices) and 'hear' (commanding - North declination and obeying - South declination, equidistant from the equinoxes with same opposite declination) each other. Ptolemy is not talking about the conjunction.
She cites Valens 'Not only the luminaries but their ruler' (Anthology, II,3)
And later she suggests to add Venus and Mars in the synastry.
Discord
"If the benefics aspect the inharmonious configurations of the Sun and the Moon, the common life does not then seem seriously or definitively threatened. Reconciliations will take place, affection and tenderness will be preserved."
"On the other hand, when the malefic planets look at these same inharmonious configurations, life together will be conflictual, unpleasant, without profit, separation with physical or mental abuse." (p.219)
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For each partner, you look at the Sun and Moon to assess their strength and condition (Luminary In Sect, gender, rulership, Oriental vs Occidental, House placement, aspects, Lunation phase)
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On page 223 and 224, quote "The Lots can also intervene in the destiny of love, as Giuseppe Bezza has clearly shown.
Links exist (between partners) in the following cases:
- Fortuna of one partner with the Sun or Moon of the other partner.
- Fortuna with Daimon
- Daimon with the Moon
- Fortuna with Fortuna
Lesser
- Sun with Sun, ASC or MC (here the connection with the MC can show a partner who will have a say in the career development)
- Moon with Moon, ASC or MC
- ASC with ASC or 7th ('when the Horoscope of one is the 7th sign of the nativity of the other, the days of their union will be long' (Kushyar ibn Labban)
- We can also consider the NN (Jupiter) to increase and SN (Saturn) to decrease.
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On page 210
"A usual horoscope considering only the planets, signs and houses, seems as poor and skeletal next to a chart of Parts as a building which does not yet have windows, doors, or even walls, next to a luxury hotel." (Alexandre Volguine, Cahiers astrologiques, no. 152, June 1971)
The Lots can help personalize a relationship
You can start with the 7 Hermetic Lots and I recommend this link
https://sevenstarsastrology.com/twelve- ... -the-lots/
1 Lot of Fortune (Moon)
2 Lot of Spirit (Sun)
3 Lot of Eros (Venus)
4 Lot of Necessity (Mercury)
5 Lot of Courage (Mars)
6 Lot of Victory (Jupiter)
7 Lot of Nemesis (Saturn)
My personal approach here is fairly simple. Each of these 7 Lots can be viewed as the 'place' of each of the 7 traditional planets and it does provide additional information about the synastry chart.
Let's say you have the Lot of Courage (Mars) conjunct Venus of the other partner, this will be like a Venus/Mars connection, a passionate and dynamic relationship.
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You can investigate other Lots. For example the Part of Sickness conjunct Venus in Virgo (Fall, Out of Sect, Cadent squaring Pluto) in Eleanor Roosevelt's chart reveals her partnership with a partially paralyzed husband.
Looking at a synastry chart, we use the planets positions on the Ecliptic. But do not neglect as Danièle Jay does to look at the charts 'In Mundo', the Right Ascension of the planets measured from the Equator. You will discover unsuspected connections with your partner.
In chapter VII, she analyses chart examples from the point of view of Ptolemy's Tetrabiblos, Book 4, Chapter 5 on marriages.
Harmony
We know that Ptolemy's view on marriages was rather succint as he considered only the Sun and the Moon for compatibility and the harmonious aspects and reception between the Luminaries (namely the sextile, the trine and signs that 'see' (antiscia, equidistant from the solstices) and 'hear' (commanding - North declination and obeying - South declination, equidistant from the equinoxes with same opposite declination) each other. Ptolemy is not talking about the conjunction.
She cites Valens 'Not only the luminaries but their ruler' (Anthology, II,3)
And later she suggests to add Venus and Mars in the synastry.
Discord
"If the benefics aspect the inharmonious configurations of the Sun and the Moon, the common life does not then seem seriously or definitively threatened. Reconciliations will take place, affection and tenderness will be preserved."
"On the other hand, when the malefic planets look at these same inharmonious configurations, life together will be conflictual, unpleasant, without profit, separation with physical or mental abuse." (p.219)
----------
For each partner, you look at the Sun and Moon to assess their strength and condition (Luminary In Sect, gender, rulership, Oriental vs Occidental, House placement, aspects, Lunation phase)
----------
On page 223 and 224, quote "The Lots can also intervene in the destiny of love, as Giuseppe Bezza has clearly shown.
Links exist (between partners) in the following cases:
- Fortuna of one partner with the Sun or Moon of the other partner.
- Fortuna with Daimon
- Daimon with the Moon
- Fortuna with Fortuna
Lesser
- Sun with Sun, ASC or MC (here the connection with the MC can show a partner who will have a say in the career development)
- Moon with Moon, ASC or MC
- ASC with ASC or 7th ('when the Horoscope of one is the 7th sign of the nativity of the other, the days of their union will be long' (Kushyar ibn Labban)
- We can also consider the NN (Jupiter) to increase and SN (Saturn) to decrease.
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On page 210
"A usual horoscope considering only the planets, signs and houses, seems as poor and skeletal next to a chart of Parts as a building which does not yet have windows, doors, or even walls, next to a luxury hotel." (Alexandre Volguine, Cahiers astrologiques, no. 152, June 1971)
The Lots can help personalize a relationship
You can start with the 7 Hermetic Lots and I recommend this link
https://sevenstarsastrology.com/twelve- ... -the-lots/
1 Lot of Fortune (Moon)
2 Lot of Spirit (Sun)
3 Lot of Eros (Venus)
4 Lot of Necessity (Mercury)
5 Lot of Courage (Mars)
6 Lot of Victory (Jupiter)
7 Lot of Nemesis (Saturn)
My personal approach here is fairly simple. Each of these 7 Lots can be viewed as the 'place' of each of the 7 traditional planets and it does provide additional information about the synastry chart.
Let's say you have the Lot of Courage (Mars) conjunct Venus of the other partner, this will be like a Venus/Mars connection, a passionate and dynamic relationship.
-------------
You can investigate other Lots. For example the Part of Sickness conjunct Venus in Virgo (Fall, Out of Sect, Cadent squaring Pluto) in Eleanor Roosevelt's chart reveals her partnership with a partially paralyzed husband.
Looking at a synastry chart, we use the planets positions on the Ecliptic. But do not neglect as Danièle Jay does to look at the charts 'In Mundo', the Right Ascension of the planets measured from the Equator. You will discover unsuspected connections with your partner.
