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This is a thread for reflections and thoughts about the US chart. It's continued from this thread. Where some examples was posted to compare Sibley US chart with the Regulus US chart which is a rectification of the Sibley chart to a new time; 18:17:37

http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic ... 905#124905

(Note there the info from me about a Vedic chart rectification of the US chart to 18:30 by the American Vedic astrologer James Kelleher.
And then Therese gave an excerpt from Mercury Hour magazine where a psychic had given the time for America's birth to 18:30. The same time which James Kelleher subsequently came up with in his extensive research and rectification of the chart.)

So there seems to be some sources in the astrology world that points to a time around 18:30 for the birth of America.

I will post some additional material from the other thread here that I did not wanted to do there.

The solar returns for the Moonlanding in July 1969 is such example where the Solar return for the Sibley chart and the Regulus US chart differ a bit. I will post these later on.

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The American Civil war begun 12 April 1861


The American Civil War (April 12, 1861 – May 26, 1865; also known by other names) was a civil war in the United States. It was fought between the Union[e] ("the North") and the Confederacy ("the South"),


Solar returns
Regulus US chart (left) Sibley US chart (right)

The Regulus chart have Mars planet of war right on an angle, on MC. And oppositions along the MC/IC axis showing conflicts with the ruling party and oppostion forces.

Sibley have mars aspecting the ascendant. But is off the angles.

(Note similar patterns as in the storming of the capital 6th january solar returns where Regulus chart had Mars on an angle (IC) while Sibley's Mars was dislocated off.)

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As a companion to the Civil war solar returns there may be an idea to post Solar returns for the January 6th Storming of the Capitol which may be seen as a microscopic mirror of that. As it is a try to prevent a peaceful transmission of Power to the new president. An act of trying to offset democracy.


Just like the Civil war solar returns Regulus chart have an angular Mars, while Sibley have a Mars off the angles.

Mars conjunct IC could be seen as violence from the opposition to the current elected president.



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I lost speed in this thread.


But posting because of a strange synchronistic event happening in the
Regulus chart.

A progressed New Moon is occuring in March for the Regulus chart indicating a new cycle seed is sown for the US.
Same month in March there is a transiting lunation in the sky at same degree as the progressed New moon.
Weird....
( This balsamic progressed cycle happening now can also be a factor that explains the strange political climate happening now. )


Here is the Regulus chart with the progressed lunation and the transiting lunation at same degree in same month.

( For Sibley this progressed new moon occur in april and the synchronicity is not there).

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The legal mess in the US now is occuring right in front of our eyes.

On another astrological platform I alerted a few weeks ago to some potent transits involving progressions in the US Regulus chart.

Now these transits seems to play out in reality with judges and jury members at peril threatened and list of jury members is outed on far right sites. And death threats toward the Judge in 6th january case too.
Donald Trump even threat prosecutors with the words.


"-Meanwhile, Trump himself has also made threats to authorities and his rivals amid his mounting legal woes, writing on social media: “If you go after me, I’m coming after you.???

This is some I wrote there about the transits of Mars over progressed Neptune and progressed ascendant in the 9th house (legal system, judges)
And stationing Mercury on natal Neptune in 9th.

Written aug 9th:
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"There is a huge emphasis on the natal Neptune in the 9th house (law) in this chart in progressions and transits et,c,
It is correlating to big confusion in the legal reality in the country.
Abortion laws - A former president maybe convicted in the midst of a presidental campain et.c.
This is very unclear and uncharted territory for the country in these times. Which is mirrored by the Neptunian activation
in this national chart.

Also transiting Neptune is squaring the ascendant. (natally in the 9th)

This is very relevant now with transiting Mars and Mercury going through Virgo the 9th house in this US chart (and Sibley chart as well).
Transiting Mercury will stationing on natal and progressed Neptune , progressed asc and MC involved.
While transiting Mars will conjoin this natal 9th house neptune

This is shown here in the triwheel with natal- progressions- transits for the 18:16:47 Regulus US chart.

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Interesting to see these transits playing out now this week.
transiting Mars is about violence and threats. among the confusion of legal issues in US now.

I trust this chart more and more for now.
This is the chart posted there a some time ago for transits for 22 Aug 2023

This is for today news in Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... g-websites





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Update:
The transit alert made for the US Regulus chart when transiting Mercury stationing on natal Neptune.
And transiting Mars conjunct Progressed Ascendant on progressed Neptune now: (See chart with progressions and transits above.

The news is dominated by the flooding (Neptune) as a result of the tropical storm 'Hilary*.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/ ... ate-crisis

Tropical Storm Hilary brings flooding to California as a quake hits Los Angeles

The legal issues is continuing, but this emergence declaration in California due to intense flooding is
in line with this transit alert I think.

These are the Solar returns for the 9/11 2001 Terror attacks in New York,

I have not looked at this before and...yes I am impressed again.


*Regulus solar return to the left.
Uranus conjunct MC is sudden events. Uranus is modern ruler of aircraft.
And Mars conjunct Descendent is clearly the attack.

Sibley Solar return on the right

Venus angular on the ascendant.
Neptune on MC. Sounds more like peace agreements or artistic new trends or
something.

The upcoming eclipse in Libra 21' degrees is in conjunction with Regulus US chart MC.

This is a South node solar eclipse. So it can show sacrifices or removals of rulers, as South node have a
decreasing effect. Things disappear from manifestation. In order for new things to appear.
10th house is the Presdent, and people in the rulership sector.

*Yesterday historical removal of house speaker Mcarthy. (number three in the US order of succession after the president and vice president.)
*Trump is in deep waters in trial
*Biden 82 years old next year is questioned for his age, and slacking in polls.

Interesting to see eclipse unfolding. How many high profile people will go.....?
Transiting Mars (precession corrected) is conjunct MC right now.

Thanks for this thread Stephan.
On the upcoming South Node solar eclipse in Libra. I think you are justified in linking it with Speaker McCarthy's removal as Speaker based on Libra as the 11th whole sign house. In mundane astrology, the 11th signifies the President's cabinet, also the legislative bodies. But as Libra would be the 11th whole sign house for both Sibley and Regulus USA horoscopes (Sagittarius rising in each case) I do not think this particular event is definitive in favoring either horoscope. Please refer to my recent posts in the Announcements and Mundane threads on a paper I just published on making predictions by directing the Ascendant through the bounds. I think you will find it of interest.

Thanks again for your interest.

Thanks for responding.

Yes I also thought about the whole sign 11th house indication of congress in the chart.
So I agree with that good point.
But for me I thinks anyway that the actual Eclipse hit right on the MC in your rectified chart have upper hand
in terms of angularity importance in the historic event, over the Sibley chart. The United States have in this moment
no ruling government functionality sort of. When the House is without speaker until next week.

Anyway I don't need to compare anymore. I may be wrong but I am 100 % satisfied with the Regulus chart.
Congratulations for a great job. The chart just sort of "clicks" in the right way.

Although I find the precession corrected transits to perhaps fit better. For such an old chart.
(Same with Englands old 1066 chart which did tally so strongly with the mundane Uranus square Pluto in the sky that
did make angular contact with this chart for the Brexit circus years - which revolutionasid many things in the UK.).

Now for example with all the anger and frustration in the ruling layers of society with Trump in court and congress leadership
issues; the transiting Mars South node is on the MC in the *Regulus chart when using Precession corrected transits.
I think it fits perfectly.

Yes I will check the post you mentioning about directing through the Bounds.

I really like your work.

Here is Regulus chart with whole signs and transit for the removal of MCarthy. Precession corrected transits which
fits so well in this event.

Stefan wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 10:30 am .

This is a thread for reflections and thoughts about the US chart. It's continued from this thread. Where some examples was posted to compare Sibley US chart with the Regulus US chart which is a rectification of the Sibley chart to a new time; 18:17:37

http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic ... 905#124905

(Note there the info from me about a Vedic chart rectification of the US chart to 18:30 by the American Vedic astrologer James Kelleher.
And then Therese gave an excerpt from Mercury Hour magazine where a psychic had given the time for America's birth to 18:30. The same time which James Kelleher subsequently came up with in his extensive research and rectification of the chart.)

So there seems to be some sources in the astrology world that points to a time around 18:30 for the birth of America.

I will post some additional material from the other thread here that I did not wanted to do there.

The solar returns for the Moonlanding in July 1969 is such example where the Solar return for the Sibley chart and the Regulus US chart differ a bit. I will post these later on.

Seriously, I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

On the one hand, we have people claiming to know something about astrology who can't tell the difference between a conception chart and a birth chart and on the other hand we have people who obviously haven't read a history book since before I was born.

Nothing happened very slowly on July 4th so no chart cast for that day is valid. Didn't Congress make July 4th a holiday in 1870?

Yes, that's true. What was the sole single source of information Congress used to choose that date?

That would be the unpublished autobiography of Thomas Jefferson.

Jefferson began writing his autobiography in response to what he called "attacks" by several newspapers disputing Jefferson's claim that he wrote the Declaration of Independence. It is an historical fact he did not. It was drafted by committee. Did Jefferson have a huge hand in shaping it? Yes, that would be historically accurate. At most, Jefferson would be the "editor" or even "editor in chief" but not the author.

He began in January 1821 so he's trying to recall events that took place 45 years earlier. How good was Jefferson's memory? It was so-so. The actual quote from Jefferson's unpublished autobiography is:

“The declaration was reported by the commee., agreed to by the house, and signed by every member present except Mr. Dickinson.”

That is incredibly bad English grammar.

"Every member present" does not equal "every member."

"Except Mr. Dickinson" does that mean Dickinson was there but didn't sign it or does it mean Dickinson didn't sign it because he wasn't there?

It is now an undeniable historical fact Dickinson was not physically present and additionally, the whereabout of 6 others are unknown so as of this date we don't know if those men were there or not. It gets worse.

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America...

On July 2nd, a messenger delivered a letter to the 4 delegates from New York. That letter ordered them not to sign the Declaration. It did not state why it only stated they were forbidden to sign it.

On the morning of July 3rd, those 4 members of the New York delegation left Philadelphia and returned to New York. I shouldn't have to remind people they did not ride Amtrak.

That those 4 delegates returned to Philadelphia on July 15th is a matter of historical record and fact,

There is no documentary evidence to support any claim that the Declaration was signed on July 4th. It wasn't even finalized on July 4th because when the 4 New York delegates returned there were changes made so's they could sign it.

Charles Thomson maintained the Rough Journal, the Corrected Journal and the Secret Journal of Congress and there is no mention of signing on July 4th.

Where is this document supposedly signed on July 4th? If you know where it is then do the righteous and honorable thing and call the US National Archives and tell them you know where it is because they don't know where it is and neither does anyone else.

On July 9th John Adams wrote that “As soon as an American Seal is prepared, I conjecture the Declaration will be subscribed by all the members” because it was not signed on July 4th.

Only July 21st Elbridge Gerry wrote “Pray subscribe for me the Declaration of Independence if the same is to be signed as proposed” because it was not signed on July 4th.

The entry for the Journals of Congress for July 4th state the Declaration “be authenticated and printed” meaning it was not signed on July 4th.

The entry for the Journals of Congress for July 19th says it should “be fairly engrossed on parchment and signed by every member of Congress” because it was not signed on July 4th. That's because the Declaration wasn't finalized until then and it was sent out to a printer to be printed on two large pieces of parchment.

Both copies of the Declaration were signed on August 2nd. The National Archives has one of those copies. The other copy went to Boy George.

What time was it signed? I ain't telling. You don't need to know that. At most, a Declaration is a conception chart. Do all pregnancies carry to term? Nope. Not all bids for independence end successfully and the chart would tell you a yes/no and why or why not. For the historically-challenged, Catalan's bid for independence a few years ago got stomped on by Spain.

The United States took its first breath on March 2, 1781 around 9:00 am in Philadelphia. That is when the 13 separate independent countries met for the first time as one united entity under the Articles of Confederation.

How many of you threw away your birth chart and cast a new one for the date/time/location you graduated high school? And then threw out that birth chart and cast a new one when you graduated college? Why not? You got a piece of paper. That changes everything right? You throw out the birth chart and cast a new one when a woman marries and changes her name, right? And then cast a new birth chart when someone gets divorced, right? Or cast a new birth chart when someone has a child, right?

No, we follow the rules of astrology. if you want to cast a chart for the Constitution, feel free, but it will only tell you about the Constitution and not the United States.

For those who don't want to use March 2, 1781, there are other valid mundane techniques that can be used.

For the record, all of this has been know since at least 1945 and now it's taught in college because I was just there 10 years ago.

Here is an episode from 'The Astrology podcast' where there is an interesting discussion about the chart for America.
In it Chris Brennan and guest Nina Gryphon discusses different charts.

The Regulus chart is also discussed in the end of the episode. At 1 h :40 minutes into the episode.


https://theastrologypodcast.com/2020/04 ... ed-states/

Also some credit to Regulus Astrology for being the only astrologer who came up with Obama having
an Aquarius Ascendant, before the birthcertificate was coming out in the open.


Chris Brennan:
"that before that 2008 election, before Obama’s birth certificate was published and his birth time became common knowledge, I was always impressed by Dr. H that he was the only astrologer I knew who had correctly rectified Obama’s Ascendant to be Aquarius rising."