Hi,

It just occurred to me today.
The 150 or so Fixed Stars which are used in the astrological tradition, and today.
Anyone knows if they're all from the Milky Way galaxy? Or do some of them from the Andromeda galaxy, or from elsewhere?

I assume that the fixed stars in the Andromeda constellation aren't affiliated with the Milky Way, rather than with the Andromeda galaxy.

Thanks,

This is a common question for astrologers which I have asked myself in the past. All the stars we see are in our own Milky Way galaxy. The Andromeda galaxy is only a fuzzy patch from our viewpoint. It's easy to confuse the Andromeda constellation, The Chained Woman, with the Andromeda galaxy far out in space.

Yes, it's true! As astrologers we could use a good astronomical education. But it's the astronomers who made the less-than-intelligent decision to give a galaxy the same name as one of our Milky Way constellations.

Thanks Therese,

Following up on what you're saying; distances would be too great, for us to see stars with our naked eyes in galaxies outside the milky way.

I've been doing a little more research (or rather refreshing my memory, thank you Dima, for the opportunity) and see that the Andromeda galaxy is what is labeled M31 (NGC 224) by astronomers. This galaxy is located within our Andromeda constellation which is why the galaxy itself is referred to as Andromeda. Generally galaxies aren't called by the name of our local constellation in which they are located. The Andromeda galaxy is an exception. Rather we will see, for example: NGC 4261, Elliptical galaxy in Virgo.

M31 is located in the 4th degree of Aries in the sidereal Krishnamurti zodiac, and in about 27 Aries in the tropical zodiac.

Yes M31, Vertex in 28 Aries (tropical) nowadays.

NGC 4261, Elliptical galaxy in Virgo. It isn't used by astrologers, as far as I can tell.

Hi there - this sort of thing was pioneered by Philip Sedgwick and Michael Erlewine amongst others.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_j7I39 ... Oe&index=1

The link is for a youtube video from Michael Erlewine's channel.

Ed

I have removed ad-like links from the post above.

Dima Gur wrote: Tue Oct 17, 2023 10:27 pmAnyone knows if they're all from the Milky Way galaxy? Or do some of them from the Andromeda galaxy, or from elsewhere? I assume that the fixed stars in the Andromeda constellation aren't affiliated with the Milky Way, rather than with the Andromeda galaxy.

Yes, all visible "fixed" stars that astrologers use are in our own Milky Way galaxy. The Andromeda Galaxy as a whole is relatively dim, and individual stars within it are very far away and aren't visible to the naked eye. The Andromeda constellation is just a section of space, which the Andromeda Galaxy lies within and was therefore named after, so that means various visible stars in the Andromeda constellation are still within our Milky Way galaxy.

There's an difference between fixed stars, and other deep space objects like galaxies. The Andromeda Galaxy covers an area larger than the Full Moon, but its center point can be plotted (currently at 28Ari). The center point of the Milky Way can be plotted too (currently at 27Sag). Just as planets orbit the Sun, so does the Sun and all other stars in our galaxy orbit the Galactic Center. Just as planets are like organs in the body of the solar system, so are stars like cells in the body of the galaxy! Whenever a planet conjuncts the Galactic Center, it's somewhat similar in astrological meaning to a planet conjunct the Sun, but on a deeper level since the Galactic Center is effectively the "Sun's Sun".

This fractal process of nested energies can be continued in both directions! Our Milky Way galaxy and most other nearby galaxies are orbiting or heading toward the "Great Attractor", or the center of the Laniakea Galactic Supercluster (currently at 14Sag). That's also a significant zodiac position, although it's on an even "higher" or more abstract level than even the galactic level energies of the Galactic Center.

Similarly, on a more microcosmic level, each planet is orbited by various moons. These moons are like organs in the body of the planetary system, and (similar to planets in the solar system) each moon represents a different part of the planet. The orientation of planetary moons relative to the planet it orbits can produce a more detailed and focused view of that planet's issues, and determine what parts of that planet get emphasized and how.

Astrology programs like Astrolog support the Galactic Center, the Andromeda galaxy, the Great Attractor, and planetary moons as selectable points, which can be turned on in charts.