i first stated wondering about gavin newsom and whether he might get in a position to run for the 2024 election about 2 weeks ago, but this hinges on joe biden stepping down as the democrat incumbent which is a very big if... i am handicapped by joe bidens chart, as i don't believe the time is accurate.. adb says joe bidens chart is 'from memory' and gives it an A rating.. i am more confident on using jill bidens chart to foresee any possible change up in the democrat leadership of joe biden..
https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Biden,_Joe
https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Biden,_Jill
https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Newsom,_Gavin

i have been using a time of 731am for biden based on a few considerations.. this puts mercury on his ascendant.. in sidereal this time i had been previously working with happens to coincide with the new moon coming up for nov 13th 2023.. below is a chart for joe biden of 731am with 28 libra rising, and mercury on the ascendant at the same degree... it is on the inside wheel.. the outer wheel is for the nov 13th 2023 new moon set to washington dc. for approx 427am.



in spite of the very speculative nature of the 731 am chart for biden, it just so happens that the opposition involving sun/moon/mars in late libra are directly opposed by uranus in late aries.. it all conspires at the new moon - 26 degrees and the mars/uranus at 28 degrees which is right at the same degree as bidens 731am ascendant and mercury using sidereal krisnmurti.. i find this interesting, but again - very speculative..

the chart for jill biden happens to have a somewhat loaded 7th house, using whole sign houses, with taurus on the 7th house cusp... venus its ruler is in early cancer in the 9th wsh system, but in the 8th of most other house systems.. at present t pluto transits in fairly close opposition to her natal venus.. my friend aj has pointed out to me how using indian astrology, the husband is represented by jupiter in a general sense.. as it turns out, jill has a strong jupiter in its sign of pisces down at the 4th house i.c. point in her chart... her chart is shown below..



again - the reason i am using jills chart is i am not confident in the use of joe bidens.. in jills chart there is a fairly close square involving jupiter at the i.c. to uranus in the 8th wsh ( whole sign houses ) and in the 7th by most other house systems.. this to me suggests a possible connection to this aspect representing her husbands involvement in ''american'' politics - a combo of jupiter-uranus type energy as i see it..typically american presidents have a connection with the planet uranus, although don't ask me to provide resources to back this up.. it might be a general impression i have and i have no documentation on it..

as it turns out jill biden has a mercury at 28 aries - exactly opposite joe bidens at 28 libra - sidereal.. this goes back to the new moon chart with the close opposition of mars-uranus at 28 cardinal and the new moon at 26 libra sidereal.. perhaps the one other outstanding astro connection between joe and jills chart is joes jupiter conjunct jills venus... as i said earlier - venus rules jills 7th, so it is a natural symbol for her marriage partner... and as i also mentioned - jupiter is the planet that represents the marriage partner ( husband) generally in indian astrology.. one other quick point.. the issue of children is often associated with the 5th house.. in jills chart that would also mean jupiter as ruler of the 5th is covered by the symbolism of jupiter.. i am thinking of some of dynamics with regard to hunter biden and what i retain on their children more generally..

below is a biwheel with jill biden on the inside and joe on the outside..



now i would like to consider the 2023 solar return for jill biden which is the chart shown below..



as happens, there is a very close conjunction in jill bidens 2023 solar return set for june of mercury and uranus at 26 aries - exactly opposite the new moon degree for this nov 13th, and again - quite close to the mars-uranus opposition at 28 libra/aries.. whether one believes a new moon could be a trigger for what is contained in a solar return - that is up for grabs.. whether the transits in the new moon chart would directly impact the natal charts of joe and jill - i suppose that is up for grabs too, but on balance i believe they do! whether there are some behind the scenes dynamics going on involving a conversation of joe stepping down and letting someone else take over the democrat leadership is possible.. on the other hand it looks like a long shot and would definitely be a surprise for the general public... that said, an interesting article was shard by marjorie orr today from the times on the topic of biden/trump and some of the dynamics which some folks might wish to read... here is a captured page from achive.is - https://archive.is/ArRsv

another interesting consideration for jills 2023 solar return is the sun-saturn square in her chart.. sun is in the 12th wsh and rules the 3rd, while saturn is in the 9th, while ruling the 8/9 whole sign houses... as it happens joe bidens 2023 which is coming up very soon also happens to have a sun-saturn square in it.. it turns out joes sun-saturn square aside from ruling over the 1/7 houses of his chart, also includes mars and moon in the wider configuration.. see the speculative 731am chart solar return for nov 2023 shown below.. what all this means is open to more speculation!



as i have already said - it is all very speculative.. these are my ruminations for a chunk of today... i will consider posting the chart of gavin newsom and my thoughts on his chart at a later date, especially if any of this speculation takes on any significance.. thanks for reading this far if you made it this far!!

Well, James, speculations are interesting. We'll see if any of them hit the mark as time goes by.

As I live in California, Gavin Newsom's state, I'm able to follow his daily activities via the news. At least at this moment he has stated that he has no plans to run for U.S. president.

I use Joe Biden's accepted birth time of 8:30 AM. I've pointed out elsewhere on Skyscript that Biden's current ennead--40 day cyclic chart (which runs until his solar return on November 21) is extremely critical, and his new solar return isn't the chart of a president. Jill Biden's current solar return has natal Uranus (whole sign and Raman/Vehlow 8th) directly on the solar ascendant. Her natal Sun/Mars in R-V and whole sign 7th falls in the solar 12th. We don't have long to wait for Joe Biden's current ennead to end and his new solar return to take effect.

thanks therese

thanks for the feedback on newsom.. regarding biden - are you implying that once he makes it to his birthday coming soon on the 21st, things will look better? or is this because he will have a new ennead which looks more positive?

i am looking at his transits to nov 25th and see a build up of tension beginning with t saturn conjunct ketu in the 4th house area of his chart which coincidentally is squaring onto natal venus/sun combo... adding to this is the transit of mars into the square of saturn - exact on approx nov 25th, and at the same time t sun is opposite his natal uranus around the 25th too... not sure if this is just a passing hiccup, or if this transit build up in the vicinity of nov 25th - a few days after his birthday, implies an undue degree of stress...

it seems to me the saturn transit to ketu is a very discouraging transit, but combined with t mars squaring onto this area - this just adds to the frustration and tension all the rest of what i have touched on implies... i suppose i am putting greater emphasis on his nodal axis then i am of the degree of his sun.. yes - speculation! i do think he is too old to be doing this job, but that is just my opinion and maybe i am wrong..

James, you wrote:

Regarding biden - are you implying that once he makes it to his birthday coming soon on the 21st, things will look better? or is this because he will have a new ennead which looks more positive?

No, both charts (this final ennead and the November 21 solar return) aren't the least bit positive. Here is the final ennead for this year:



James, see that transiting Saturn on Biden's 4th house Ketu which you mentioned is on the 7th cusp in this ennead. Also this Saturn is square natal Sun/Venus/Asc at the nadir (4th house endings). If enneads mean anything at all, this configuration looks extremely critical.

Here is Biden's upcoming solar return chart for November 21 this month:



The solar return chart is the first ennead of the year. This chart has a double Neptune on the 1st-7th house angles. There are no other planets on chart angles. The Fagan school of astrology says that Neptune is a killer planet for political ambitions. But these Neptune positions can signify much more than that. I am using the birth location for these charts. James, you have noted November 25 as a critical date for Biden. This is only a few days after his new solar return.

I do think he is too old to be doing this job, but that is just my opinion...

I certainly agree with you as do many citizens here in the U.S.!! I am two years older than Biden, and I cannot imagine how he is doing the job of president of the U.S. with so many obligations and foreign travel. Perhaps this is why I see the possibility that suddenly his body will decide that he needs a much needed rest.

thanks therese

well, we certainly don't have long to wait... maybe biden will navigate the next 2 weeks fine, in which case it was idle speculation on my part.. but i see an article a friend sent me this morning continues on in the same theme as my astro ruminations from the past while too..

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... ident-2024

no matter what the chart is for biden - 731 or 830am - the set up in the solar return is indeed challenging and reflects the transits currently taking shape into and after his birthday on the 21st...

James, interesting article! Thanks for pointing it out for us.

Well, at this moment President Biden doesn't appear to be within a thousand miles of a critical health event. He is currently very visible to the world, attending the big APEC (Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperative) in San Francisco, only a few hours from my home to the north. He has been in talks with Chinese President Xi Jingping and other dignitaries. Along with this event there have been large protests and demonstrations, one of which closed a major bridge to the city for several hours.

Jupiter is at the MC of Biden's current ennead, but I considered it too far in orb to be effective (7 degrees). Apparently that is close enough to be active. Natal Rahu on the ennead ascendant appears to be a more important influence than transiting Saturn conjunct Biden's Ketu in his natal 4th....unless taking a Krishnamurti principle that the house of a transit doesn't matter as much as the star lord. Both Ketu and Saturn are in Rahu's star in Aquarius which directs the K action to Rahu in Biden's natal 10th.

Perhaps all horoscopes are actually kaleidoscopes? We can shift our point of view to get various conflicting readings from the same chart. Is this why we generally get a split down the middle among astrologers when we attempt to predict the winner in elections?

So do elevated planets and those on the ascendant take priority over everything else? (Jupiter at the MC, transiting Rahu on cusp 9, and natal Rahu on the ascendant) It's difficult enough figuring out which of the traditional planets take priority in a chart, but nevertheless astrologers add asteroids, transneptunians and other points to give us a boundless choice of possibilities. This is a major critique from those who attempt to show that astrology is meaningless. (I am currently reading Understanding Astrology by the arch enemy of astrologers, Geoffrey Dean and his collaborators)

11.18.2023
Hi Therese: Thanks for the insights and for the reports being so close to the APEC summit. The observation about the transiting Star Lord is correct, IMO, though a planet still gives its own results too.

Whichever chart, Biden is in a Saturn mahadasha and bhukti, so the transiting Saturn conjunction with his natal Ketu is a big deal right now and through Dec of '25. Transiting Saturn is also squaring his natal Sun. Transiting Jupiter is also not giving a lot of protective cover since it is square to his natal Pluto.

As an aside, at the time of the 2020 election, Joe’s P2 Saturn was stationary direct, simultaneous with P2 Mercury, which was also stationary direct. After that, Saturn has not been kind to Joe Biden; in October of '21, there was the total FUBAR withdrawal from Afghanistan. Even though it was a legacy of the Trump administration, this could of gone a lot better, and transiting Saturn was opposite his natal Pluto.

MSM really started to play up concerns about Joe’s age in early '22, when Saturn was squaring his Mars. (Saturn is the significator for old age.)

Later in the year, classified documents are found in his garage and personal residence in Delaware. This story was broke by CBS on January 9th when transiting Saturn was squaring natal Mercury. (There are other factors too but we will just focus on Saturn to keep things manageable.)

Anyway, back to the present: the Saturn-Ketu reflects on the current international relations and domestic challenges Biden and his administration are facing. The tensions for him should ease up some after Saturn passes over the Nodal Axis in early December.

If the Libra rising chart is correct, then retrograding Jupiter in the beginning of December will be within 2 degrees of trining the MC, and I would expect that Joe's ratings and outward perception are somewhat better. Especially at the end of December, when Jupiter stations; the trine is a long one.

Interestingly, transiting Mars will be exactly opposite his natal Saturn on December 9th, so some events, good or bad, depending on which chart you subscribe to, will occur around this time. Mars-Saturn connections are usually not so good. Transiting Mars will simultaneously make an exact pesky-sesqui to Joe's natal Jupiter. If the Libra chart is correct, this could affect his short-term health since Ju is lord of both the 3rd and 6th houses and natal Saturn is in the 8th.

As we get further into the New Year, transiting Neptune's trine to his natal Jupiter will get stronger. This will help turn some of the negative tide of popular opinion against Joe, though a lot of challenges remain in the transit picture for the year. Neptune is a good planet to have in positive aspect for a politician's approval. You can see Neptune bolstering Donald Trump’s current popularity.

By Spring and Summer of '24, Saturn will be trining Joe’s rising stellium of planets too, and this is a much better situation. Perhaps this will be a time when the focus is less on Joe being a dotard and more on the accumulated wisdom that age can bring. Good media spin doctoring will help too, no doubt.

Be Well.