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Karsten F. Kröncke recently published an article in his German language internet Uranian Astrology forum in which he analyzed the suicide of a 37-year-old man.
Source:
https://astrologiewslforum.astrax.de/vi ... 49eb9ef25e

Karsten F. Kröncke writes (English translation by myself):

He jumped to his death from this 1.20 m wide, 182 m high and 340 m long panoramic bridge, which is only accessible by pedestrians. It is one of the longest and highest pedestraion bridges in Europe. Admission is 8.00 CHF.

On the outside, Mark appears to be charming, handsome, stately and someone who can handle any problems.

You couldn't tell that he had been mentally ill for a long time and had anxiety and panic attacks. He had therefore been under medical treatment for at least two years.

https://www.interlaken.ch/en/experience ... mic-bridge

Mark Funne, age at the time of his death: 37 years, 1 month 8 days

* Thursday, September 10th, 1986, 10:52:18 p.m. CED
Bern, Switzerland, 46°n57'09", 7°e26'15"

† Tuesday, October 17th, 2023, 3:00 p.m. UTC (time is not known exactly, presumably 03:00 p.m. UTC)
Sigriswil, Switzerland, 46°n43'06", 7°e42'26"

Cemal Çiçek ("linchi") has produced a publication for the interested astrological community based on a very extensive scientific series study of 364 (!) cases. The title of this publication is: "Astrological Research Suicide"
Source:
https://archive.org/details/Astrologica ... 0Suicide_1
https://archive.org/details/Astrologica ... 0Suicide_2
https://archive.org/details/Astrologica ... 0Suicide_3
https://archive.org/details/Astrologica ... 0Suicide_4
https://archive.org/details/Astrologica ... 0Suicide_5

On the basis of 364 case studies Cemal Çiçek succeeded in extracting the planetary pattern typical of suicide or attempted suicide that was present in all these cases.

He states (Citation, page 11):

Suicidal thoughts (Mercury) are a compulsive (Node) desire (Moon) to leave the life (Mars/Saturn). The thoughts (Mercury) and psyche (Moon) are with death (Mars/Saturn) eclipsed (Node).

..................................MOON/MERCURY
MARS/SATURN = MOON/NODE
..................................MERCURY/NODE

If it is a suicide, then at least one of the above equations should occur.

On this occasion it must be emphasized that the astrological identification of the event with the help of the "Microastrology toolbox" is clearly superior to all other astrological methods to date with regard to the scientific criterion of "Occam's razor".

Before presenting the time-related astrological evaluation charts of this specific case (Mark Funne), it must be said that the majority of the evaluations (with the exeption of the Solar Return) were produced by Cemal. He therefore deserves appropriate thanks and credit.


Solar Return (Harmonic 128)

solar MO/ME = natal MA/SA




Lunar Return (Harmonic 128) - part 1

lunar MA/SA = lunar MO/ME = natal NO




Lunar Return (Harmonic 128) - part 2

lunar MA/SA = lunar MO/NO




Secundary Progressions (Harmonic 16)

secundary MA/SA = secundary NO/ME




Transits (Harmonic 16) - part 1

transit MA/SA = natal NO/ME




Transit (Harmonic 16) - part 2

transit MO/NE = natal MA/SA




Zachariel

Hi Zachariel,

Thank you so much for your sharing! I will make sure to find time to study it carefully.

Hi Wei,
you're welcome!

Zachariel

BTW: I recommend highly that you study Cemals publication based on a comprehensive case study series. He has divided the pdf-file into several parts. You find the relevant links in my posting.

Hello Zachariel,

Suicidal thoughts (Mercury) are a compulsive (Node) desire (Moon) to leave the life (Mars/Saturn). The thoughts (Mercury) and psyche (Moon) are with death (Mars/Saturn) eclipsed (Node).

Interesting. Thank you for your post.
The Rulebook also gives HA+AP-SA = General desperation, bankruptcies, suicides.
In your research, have you found any related evidence of this planetary picture?

And this raises another question.
They say that every day - your day starts when the Sun and the MC form the same angular distance they had at birth.
Is it something you look at to narrow down the day for a potential suicide?
And what would you focus on? The Sun, the Sun/MC midpoint or the MC? Or all three of them?

Appreciate your input,
Ouranos

Hello Ouranos,

yes, the Rulebook (revised edition 2020, p 284, ISBN 978-3-920807-30-0) gives for HA+AP-SA the following description:

Beginning or ending of general misery of the masses. Misery of refugees. Inflation, impoverishment. General desperation, bankruptcies, suicides.

I have not done any research of my own regarding the planetary-picture-formula HA+AP-SA. In this respect I am sorry that I can't give you any information.

According to my degree in the field of Human Sciences I certainly know that Cemal Çiçek has derived the planetary pattern he postulated as typical for suicide purely on an empirical basis in the course of his meticulous serial investigation of 364 cases available in the Astrodatabank, whereby the criterion of successfull replicability was decisive.

I don't know whether the founders of the original Hamburg School of Astrology, aka Uranian Astrology proceeded in a similar way when translating the planetary formulas listed in the Rulebook. I must say that I have very strong doubts about this. I rather assume that these people translated these planetary formulas into content in the manner of a cookbook. This means that they usually derived the meanings on the basis of the meaning of each individual planet or tnp (constituting the formula) purely on the basis of logical considerations. Exceptions may prove the rule.

I am very surprised and at the same time irritated that almost everyone in the worldwide astrological community has so far persistently ignored or even fiercely rejected Cemal Çiçek's strictly empirical approach to astrological research and his findings. This shows me that most of the astrologers consider astrology a cult, a (pseudo-)religion.

With regard to your second question I can not answer anything because I don't know what you mean by stating:

They say that every day - your day starts when the Sun the MC form the same angular distance they had at birth.

If you want to predict the time of event for a person's possible suicide (which I never do purely for ethical reasons!), but let's say that we want to accomplish this purely technically, then for such a forecast I myself would use Solar Returns, Lunar Returns, Secundary Progressions, Transits, possibly also moon-phase-transits.

But I recommend highly to study the astrological publications of Cemal, the content there can much better answer your questions than I am able to do so.

Zachariel

With regard to your second question I can not answer anything because I don't know what you mean by stating:
They say that every day - your day starts when the Sun the MC form the same angular distance they had at birth.

This refers to what we could call a daily horoscope or a diurnal. Like 'what is your day going to look like.'

But if you have not looked into this, that's fine with me. I am looking for people, publications or posts regarding this Uranian outlook..

Thank you,
Ouranos

Ouranos wrote: Fri Dec 29, 2023 2:53 pm
They say that every day - your day starts when the Sun and the MC form the same angular distance they had at birth.

Who says that ? Where are the examples ? Where is the evidence ?

There are so many absurd assertions in astrology that you don't know where to start to clear them up. This is also one of them. I'll pass on again what founders of the Hamburg School have written about such absurdities.

"From the tradition it will take over the axioms of this ancient science and subject all further teachings to a strict criticism, in order to remove from its area every superstitious ballast, which adheres to astrology to a high degree and is applied by its followers in practice without criticism.

The goal to be achieved is not to find out the future by prognosis by means of completely insufficient means, but to increase the exactness of the metagnosis by the investigations. Especially in the beginning it has to be devoted to this task."

One hundred percent approval from my side.

Who says that ? Where are the examples ? Where is the evidence ?

This is mentioned by Michael Feist in the Rulebook (revised edition 2020), p.20
Question: 'What will the day (Sun) bring?'
Answer: 'Today (Sun) there are successful (Jupiter) working (Mars) contacts (Lunar Nodes)"

I also came across a presentation by Bernd Singer - IUF Hamburg in 2009 where he presents the 'daily horoscope with example with Obama's chart.
In it he says...
"The new day begins by the lower culmination of Sun (opposite) to MC. This means that the point of night - for the calculated place - will close the last cycle of day and a new day begins; the radiation by the sun will become more intense the further the Earth rotates - until the highest point of day to conjunction with the MC is arrived.
The daily repeating process of motion between day and night is caused by the rotation of Earth (+/- 20 minutes of time compared with the birthtime)."

That's all I have found so far on the subject. If it works, that's fine with me. Singer presentation is one example but I would like to see if more people have done such research. From my understanding, it is the whole chart with midpoints that rotates with the Earth encountering the transits of the day.
The sheer pleasure of discovering and discussing ideas on Uranian astrology.

Best to you,
Ouranos

Ouranos wrote: Sun Dec 31, 2023 11:37 am
I also came across a presentation by Bernd Singer - IUF Hamburg in 2009 where he presents the 'daily horoscope with example with Obama's chart.

With just one example and with Obama's birth time ?

Not even Obama's birth year is correct.

This shows once again that astrologers can explain everything with their techniques.

Thanks Linchi,
I do not expect you to have answers to all my questions.

Happy New Year!
Ouranos

Ouranos wrote: Sun Dec 31, 2023 3:10 pm Thanks Linchi,
I do not expect you to have answers to all my questions.

Sure, I have all the answers to all your questions.
Just ask, with examples of what I have researched.

You can bring the examples that I haven't worked on yet. Come on, bring it, because my rules always work. These are exact mathematical calculations.