Chart: What Is Her Real Purpose in Coming Here?

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The situation is as follows:

1. Around five, six years ago, my friend and I knew a girl, who came from abroad. At that time, the girl hooked up with my friend.

2. Later, the girl went back to her home country.

3. After a hiatus of around five years (e.g., now), the girl contacted my friend. She said that she was coming to our city.

4. When the girl came to our city, she hooked up with my friend again.

5. She said that she was coming to our city for around two weeks for vacation and meeting up with old friends.

6. My friend and I suspect that she had other reasons for coming to our city. We suspect that she came here to make some quick money in the pleasure trade.

Here is the chart. I am the querent.
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My views are as follows:

Identifying the Players

1. Initially, I struggled over whether the girl should be assigned the Seventh House (the catch-all house) or the Fifth House (the turned Seventh House from the Eleventh House (e.g., my friend)).

2. It seems to me that the Seventh House is more appropriate. This is because the Lord of the Seventh House, e.g., Jupiter, is entering into the Ninth House. This corresponds with what we know, e.g., that she just came to our city from abroad.

3. Furthermore, the Moon had just separated from Jupiter. The Moon rules the Eleventh House here. Therefore, this conjunction and separation symbolise the fact that she hooked up with my friend after arriving in our city.

The Pleasure Trade through House Meaning

4. Jupiter is in Taurus and is ruled by Venus. The Second House cusp is in Libra here. From the perspective of the Seventh House, the Second House would be the turned Eighth House and would be "other people's money". This could symbolise the fact that she is ruled by other people's money, e.g., the money of her potential customers.

5. It gives me pause, however, that there is no clear indication connecting Jupiter to the pleasure trade in the chart.

6. The Fifth House cusp is in Capricorn. Therefore, Saturn is the pleasure trade here.

7. Although Saturn and Jupiter are tantalizingly close to aspecting each other, to my knowledge Saturn and Jupiter never perfect their aspect in their current signs from this point forward.

8. However, they were connected by Mercury prior to the casting of the chart. Mercury would have sextiled Saturn and then trined Jupiter.

9. It seems to me that if she is already working in the pleasure trade, then an indication of her working in the pleasure trade through planetary aspect would have occurred in the past.

10. I believe that the pleasure trade can only be the radical Fifth House (rather than, for instance, the turned Fifth House). This is because the pleasure trade does not belong to her alone. It is open to everyone.

The Pleasure Trade through Natural Signification

11. Alternatively, if we view Venus as the natural significator of the pleasure trade rather than the significator through house meaning of other people's money, then Jupiter, being in the house ruled by Venus, is in the house of the pleasure trade.

Prognosis

12. Because Jupiter is in a fixed sign, and because Jupiter is at the cusp of the Ninth House, I suspect that she will stay in our city for much longer than the two weeks that she claimed.

Overturning the Analysis

13. However, it is also possible that my entire analysis is incorrect. Why? While Jupiter is in the radical Ninth House, it is in its turned Third House. In our situation, it seems to me to make more sense, if the girl's significator were in both her turned Ninth House (her abroad) and the radical Third House (my neighbourhood). Nevertheless, the principal alternative, e.g., Saturn (e.g., the Fifth House, being the Seventh House turned from the Eleventh House), just does not make sense to me.

14. The only planet that is in its turned Ninth House in this chart seems to be Mars, e.g., if we start counting from the Eighth House cusp in Aries. However, there is no rationale for assigning Mars to the girl.

15. While I have attempted to identify the pleasure trade through house meaning and natural signification above, upon reflection natural signification makes more sense to me. This is because her being in the pleasure trade is not a one-time event. It is an ongoing event. Therefore, it should be shown through her significator being in a particular house or sign, rather than her significator aspecting another planet.

If we are confident about the planet signifying the girl, and if we are confident about Venus being a natural significator of the pleasure trade, then the answer could be as simple as finding Jupiter in Taurus. Everything else is just a distraction.

Re: Chart: What Is Her Real Purpose in Coming Here?

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Hi, Ouranos.

I have seen you discuss midpoints on various posts. What is a good book to get into this subject?

Do you agree with my analysis? More particularly, do you agree that:

1. Jupiter is the girl.

2. Jupiter being in Taurus may be a complete answer to my question?

In my original post, I mentioned my unease at the fact that Jupiter was in the radical Ninth House rather than the turned Ninth House. Having thought about this some more, I think I can rationalize this thus: I, as the querent, does not figure greatly in the chart. Therefore, the Ninth House can be thought of indicating "abroad" in general, rather than "abroad" as relative to my current location. If I figure more strongly in the chart, e.g., the question becoming "What is her real purpose in coming to MY city", then perhaps we would expect the planet signifying the girl to be in the radical Third House (e.g., the turned Ninth House) instead.

The location is Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada - where the question was first asked and the chart was first cast.

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I have thought about the chart some more - more particularly, the significations of Saturn and Mercury in the chart. My speculations are as follows:

1. Saturn rules the Fifth House.

2. Mercury rules the Eleventh House.

3. The Fifth House stands for the pleasure trade. Therefore, the Eleventh House stands for the staff of the pleasure trade.

4. In the chart, Mercury connected Jupiter (the girl) with Saturn (the pleasure trade) in the recent past. Therefore, the girl was contacted by someone working in the pleasure trade, and she agreed to come here to make some quick money. I say that the girl "was contacted by" (rather than "contacted"), because Mercury is the quicker planet and the applying planet.

5. Indeed, Mercury connects Venus (other people's money) first through antiscia, then Jupiter (the girl), then Saturn (the pleasure trade), then Mars (the girl's money).

Both Mercury (someone working in the pleasure trade) and Mars (the girl's money) are ruled by Saturn (the pleasure trade by house meaning - here delineated as an establishment provisioning pleasure), and Saturn exalts Venus (the natural significator of the pleasure trade - the pleasure trade in general; alternatively, other people's money).

6. In the chart, Jupiter is crossing into the Ninth House while inside Taurus, (rather than entering Taurus after crossing into the Ninth House). Therefore, we can speculate that the girl had been working in the pleasure trade in her home country even before coming here.

Re: Chart: What Is Her Real Purpose in Coming Here?

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I agree with your analysis. And you know better than me what this girl is all about and if she fits the description of Pisces and the ruler in Taurus.

I have seen you discuss midpoints on various posts. What is a good book to get into this subject?
Rules for Planetary Pictures that you can order at Witte-Verlag Publishing, Hamburg, Germany - Michael Feist
I have thought about the chart some more - more particularly, the significations of Saturn and Mercury in the chart
In Uranian astrology, Mercury/Saturn is related to travel (saying goodbye, parting to travel)
In your chart, we find
ME/SA = JU and AP (Apollon)
Jupiter/Apollon describes a trip with much success and happiness. Multitude of money. Pleasure trip. Good luck.
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On a side note, the current opposition Jupiter/Apollon seems to be linked to the money through science, trade or law. The high finance breaking records on the stock market right now.
Blessings!