"Joe Rogan: Democrats Will "Pull" Biden Out In May, Newsom Will Replace Him And Run With VP Kamala Harris"

On a recent episode of his podcast "Joe Rogan predicted President Joe Biden will drop out of the race: "May. I think he's got until May. I feel like right around May they’re going to pull him... I think he just has health problems and then the country understands, and Newsom is gonna have his support fully and Kamala is gonna be like 'I don’t even want to be president, I’m cool with being vice president.'"
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video ... arris.html

Is Rogan's prediction/rumor true?

The attached Horary chart has 4+ degrees Cancer rising. L1 is Moon in Leo in the 3rd house of rumors. It applies to a trine to exalted Sun in Aries in the 11th house. According to the rules by Lilly, this is supposed to be a YES.

On the other hand, the two malefics, Mars and Saturn , are conjunct the Midheaven. This is a warning to the astrologer that attempting to give judgement will harm his/her reputation (if I recall well), or is it going to harm Rogan's reputation?

This is considered a radical chart, by the rules, as Moon rules the Asc and Venus rules the hour.

The 12th part of the ascendant is on the cusp of the 3rd house of rumors. From the table of "Hephaistio on thought interpretation" one finds, for the degree of the ascendant and its 12th part: "The greatest deed and rank and priesthood". Seems appropriate.

So this looks like an automatic YES, the rumor is true.

On May 26th-27th 2024 transit Mars will cross the degree of the recent total solar Eclipse at 19:24 Aries. triggering and activating it. Interestingly, in Biden's chart this same degree is on the axis Hades=Mars=Saturn/Asc. According to RPP it reads as: "To separate by sickness, to retire, separation through enmity or unpleasant fatal blow", "One's own actions lead to separations or estrangements".

Any comments, either debunking or confirming the above are welcome.

That's a great question. I don't feel competent to do an indepth reading of the horary, but I see a few things at first glance that point to a yes:
1. The moon applying to trine with the Sun seems to say yes, and imo MC represents the current president, with Mars c Saturn there that doesn't look good for him
2. Switching to their natal charts, -- contrary to Biden's natal chart, in which nothing seems to happen this year, Newsom has tr Mercury (lord of his Asc) conjunct natal Jupiter at the end of the democratic convention in August, and tr Jupiter conjunct natal POF and MC on Nov 5, and Jupiter conjunct POF in 10 for his solar return set for Washington DC

Pretty sure he is wrong, he's wrong about lots of things, I mean giving the likes of Amanda Knox a nice pit-a-pat interview. Give me strength. Unless there is a major aspect involving Uranus or Pluto out there linked with the MC in some way I can't see it happening, certainly not in May anyhow...maybe there is something big later on but I haven't found it.

i just finished rereading a chapter out of the book 'moment of astrology' by geoffrey cornelius, titled 'the question of horary'.... of course i can't recommend this book highly enough, so if any of you haven't read it, i really encourage you to do so..

i was triggered to reread this chapter based off a post that anthony louis had made, and in fact he has written a whole book on this example given in geoffrey cornelius's book that ceo carter gives on the question of horary... anthonys book - 'franklands predictive techniques' comes out of a very well known horary that was made public due its successful read and conclusion, is also discussed in this chapter 'the question of horary' and was the basis for anthony exploring the life and work of william frankland... but more importantly geoffrey cornelius is largely focused on ceo carters thoughts on horary throughout this chapter in the book..
https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Ca ... harles_E.O.

in this chapter ceo carters views on horary are considered.. let me quote from page 112 of the revised edition of 'the moment of astrology which came out in 2003..

(ceo carter quote )" for some reason or other which i cannot discover and perhaps am not meant to discover, many figures are not meant to be judged; they must be thrown aside, discarded.. but on the other hand, where the answer appears plain, that answer is trustworthy.'
cornelius continues : " the 'bloomers' which are often committed in the name of horary arise where astrologers fear to discard, and worry at the map to make it yield an answer. on the other hand, where the symbolism is straightforward and appropriate, carter believes the chart will then speak to us... i completely endorse this observation. it is the simplest and most practical piece of advice that could be given to the student and is a foundation for successful practice."

i would personally dismiss this question as i don't think its a valid question... that is my 2c's...

From the table of "Hephaistio on thought interpretation" one finds, for the degree of the ascendant and its 12th part: "The greatest deed and rank and priesthood".

Is it possible to show this 'table' & his reasoning. I'd be v.interested to find out more, Stella.

Greg Young wrote: Thu Apr 25, 2024 11:46 am

From the table of "Hephaistio on thought interpretation" one finds, for the degree of the ascendant and its 12th part: "The greatest deed and rank and priesthood".

Is it possible to show this 'table' & his reasoning. I'd be v.interested to find out more, Stella.

Yes, you can find it in the book "The Search of the Heart,
consultation charts, interpreting thought &calculating victors in traditional Astrology", Pages 200-205.
https://bendykes.com/product/hermann-of ... the-heart/

Below are links to postings about using the 12th part of the ascendant of a horary chart to "reveal the querent’s concerns and intentions in consulting the astrologer" .

https://tonylouis.wordpress.com/2017/03 ... in-horary/

https://tonylouis.wordpress.com/2017/04 ... in-horary/

Some historical perspective
https://sevenstarsastrology.com/twelfth ... ory-signs/

Ema Kurent
https://www.emakurent.com/en/2017/02/09 ... by-degree/

Skyscript - Topic by Mark
https://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3638

Well it certainly didn't happen by May. Maybe it will still happen and the rumor is at least partly true. But not by May.

gabkins wrote: Sun Jul 07, 2024 4:09 pm Well it certainly didn't happen by May. Maybe it will still happen and the rumor is at least partly true. But not by May.

Yes, it might be that the Exalted Sun (exaggeration), ruler of the 3rd of rumors reflects the fact that Rogan predicted this to happen much sooner than it actually will (Mercury is also Rx in the horary chart). Then it might also be possible that the Democrats were already planning this by May or even earlier, but consulted an electional Astrologer that chose the time of the debate (much earlier in the campaign than usual) for June the 27th, 9PM in Atlanta Georgia USA, so that Biden would lose and be publicly humiliated, giving them an excuse to push him out of the race.

Here's a link to an astrological analysis of the debate chart, by Anthony Louis, where the author claims

Had the Biden team consulted an astrologer, they never would have picked this place, date, and time for the debate because a resounding defeat of the incumbent is so clearly indicated by the astrological factors active at the initiation of the contest.

William Lilly & the June 27th Presidential Debate

Then again, maybe the Democrats did consult an astrologer, but for the opposite purpose. It certainly looks like they are trying to convince him to drop out.

AquaStelLea wrote: Sun Jul 07, 2024 4:42 pm Here's a link to an astrological analysis of the debate chart, by Anthony Louis, where the author claims

Had the Biden team consulted an astrologer, they never would have picked this place, date, and time for the debate because a resounding defeat of the incumbent is so clearly indicated by the astrological factors active at the initiation of the contest.

William Lilly & the June 27th Presidential Debate

the Moon in Pisces, has the dignity of being a participating triplicity ruler of the Water signs,

Seems like its important for the judgment, yet I'm not sure I get the logic behind it. Its in water sign and it seems close to Trine with mercury in another water sign, but is that all?

I also wonder about this:

and the Sun (to whom the Moon next applies by square aspect).

Do you know if that way of choosing second significator is used a lot?I've seen people just using the Moon for the "host" in this case. As math wise its somewhat complex to figure out what aspect is next or was before, sometimes, in my humble view.

Hi Random,

According to the blog post, the author was using William Lilly's method. I suppose you can get the best answers to your questions by searching for the quotes in Lilly's book, Christian Astrology, or by addressing Anthony Louis himself in the "Leave a comment" section below the article.

As math wise its somewhat complex to figure out what aspect is next or was before, sometimes, in my humble view.

Look at the boxes below the chart in the article. One of them is titled "Moon's aspect sequence". What comes before the word "chart" is the last aspect, and what comes after it is the next aspect. The ingenious software Janus 6 figures it out for you.

Cheers.

AquaStelLea wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 10:02 am Look at the boxes below the chart in the article. One of them is titled "Moon's aspect sequence". What comes before the word "chart" is the last aspect, and what comes after it is the next aspect. The ingenious software Janus 6 figures it out for you.

Cheers.

True, thank you.