Re: Death in the past life

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You will find a lot of literature in Indian Astrology about past lives.
But I am skeptical to explain past lives without a spiritual knowledge.
From what I have read on the subject over the years and please do not take this as the statement of an initiate. Simply gathering information from spiritual leaders.

- It seems that I would start with the Trutine of Hermes, the conception time in sidereal not tropical.
Some information is found in Planetdance > Horoscope > Medieval > Trutine of Hermes.

- Rudolf Steiner and Willi Sucher also looked up at past lives and one of the thing that striked me was the importance of Saturn to find answer to your question. As Steiner put it, Saturn is the guardian of the akashic records like a compendium of all universal events or memories of events, actions, thoughts, words and feelings since the beginning of time. Look up also at Saturn's Node.

- Guenther Wachsmuth in 'Cosmic Aspects of Birth and Death' (Kosmische Aspekte von Geburt und Tod) says
Google translation from the French edition
"When the human being descends into the terrestrial sphere, the reflection of what he has experienced is shown to him. This retrospective of intense clarity is transformed into a powerful aspiration towards ideals stretched towards the future; so much so that the beings who descend with a karma elaborated in the sphere of Saturn are precisely those who are enthusiastic about the future, they are bearers of ideals stretched towards the future, because, in the sphere of Saturn, they have by predilection plunged their gaze into the past." (p.139)

- Other references
Robert Powell 'Hermetic Astrology' vol. 1 and 2
David Tresener 'Star Wisdom'
Leo De La Houssaye 'Wisdom of the Stars'

- Another indication would be to look up at charts of deaths in history who show a similar configuration that you have at birth as if it was a pass of torch between missions of the souls.
In this regard, it is a neglected field of investigation in astrology for death charts are as important as birth charts.
My father was born with a stellium in Aquarius SU/JU/ME/UR (Sidereal)
I have the same stellium in Gemini rearranged differently. (Sidereal)
Strange! But meaningful in my psyche.
A search may start by answering the question 'Who inspired me in my life?'

Hope these few reflections might be helpful to you.
Ouranos
Blessings!

Re: Death in the past life

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DrJohns89 wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2024 5:36 pm From a natal chart, is it possible to guess how one died in the previous incarnation?
Regarding the specific circumstances of how one died in a past life, I haven't encountered any particular techniques in my readings in Indian astrology over the years, though that doesn't mean such methods don't exist.

Nadi readings are said to reveal details of past lives, offering insights into one's karmic journey. However, it's essential to exercise caution, as the field is rife with fraudsters eager to exploit those seeking answers. I've been acquainted with three people who have undergone Nadi readings, and out of those, only one found the reading to be impressively accurate. This highlights the importance of doing thorough research and approaching these readings with a discerning mind. While Nadi readings hold a certain mystique, they are not infallible, and the quality and authenticity can vary significantly.

I don't know if this will help you, but in Chapter 44 of Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra, Parashara provides a method to determine the realm from which a soul has entered this life, whether it be from the higher or heavenly worlds, the world of the ancestors or Pitris, or the lower realms.

from the Santhanam edition:
4l-42. PRE-NATAL ABODE: ...the stronger of the luminaries occupying a decanate of Jupiter denotes descent from the world of gods. If the said decanate is Venus or the Moon, the descent is from the world of the Ancestors; if it is the Sun or Mars, it is from the world of the dead (of Yama); and if it is Mercury or Saturn, it is from hell.

There are other methods to find your previous loka, or realm, before birth that you can find if you rake the literature; many of them use the higher divisional charts like the D-108, which is very sensitive to birth time errors as one subdivision is 16.67 minutes of arc!

I would take all of these methods with a grain of salt.

Purvapunya, or merit from past lives, is shown from the 5th and 9th houses, as well as Jupiter and the Sun.
Regards.

Re: Death in the past life

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Ouranos wrote: Sat Aug 24, 2024 2:36 pm You will find a lot of literature in Indian Astrology about past lives.
But I am skeptical to explain past lives without a spiritual knowledge.
From what I have read on the subject over the years and please do not take this as the statement of an initiate. Simply gathering information from spiritual leaders.

- It seems that I would start with the Trutine of Hermes, the conception time in sidereal not tropical.
Some information is found in Planetdance > Horoscope > Medieval > Trutine of Hermes.

- Rudolf Steiner and Willi Sucher also looked up at past lives and one of the thing that striked me was the importance of Saturn to find answer to your question. As Steiner put it, Saturn is the guardian of the akashic records like a compendium of all universal events or memories of events, actions, thoughts, words and feelings since the beginning of time. Look up also at Saturn's Node.

- Guenther Wachsmuth in 'Cosmic Aspects of Birth and Death' (Kosmische Aspekte von Geburt und Tod) says
Google translation from the French edition
"When the human being descends into the terrestrial sphere, the reflection of what he has experienced is shown to him. This retrospective of intense clarity is transformed into a powerful aspiration towards ideals stretched towards the future; so much so that the beings who descend with a karma elaborated in the sphere of Saturn are precisely those who are enthusiastic about the future, they are bearers of ideals stretched towards the future, because, in the sphere of Saturn, they have by predilection plunged their gaze into the past." (p.139)

- Other references
Robert Powell 'Hermetic Astrology' vol. 1 and 2
David Tresener 'Star Wisdom'
Leo De La Houssaye 'Wisdom of the Stars'

- Another indication would be to look up at charts of deaths in history who show a similar configuration that you have at birth as if it was a pass of torch between missions of the souls.
In this regard, it is a neglected field of investigation in astrology for death charts are as important as birth charts.
My father was born with a stellium in Aquarius SU/JU/ME/UR (Sidereal)
I have the same stellium in Gemini rearranged differently. (Sidereal)
Strange! But meaningful in my psyche.
A search may start by answering the question 'Who inspired me in my life?'

Hope these few reflections might be helpful to you.
Ouranos
Dear Ouranos,
first of all, thank you very much for the feedback.
Very interesting the possibility of a connection between our natal chart and the death chart of another person who lived before us.
I didn't quite understand the role of the Hermetis Tutina in the context of the question: are you suggesting perhaps to make any astrological assessments on the conception chart obtainable with this technique?
Again, thank you
MG

Re: Death in the past life

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AJ wrote: Sat Aug 24, 2024 6:30 pm
DrJohns89 wrote: Fri Aug 23, 2024 5:36 pm From a natal chart, is it possible to guess how one died in the previous incarnation?
Regarding the specific circumstances of how one died in a past life, I haven't encountered any particular techniques in my readings in Indian astrology over the years, though that doesn't mean such methods don't exist.

Nadi readings are said to reveal details of past lives, offering insights into one's karmic journey. However, it's essential to exercise caution, as the field is rife with fraudsters eager to exploit those seeking answers. I've been acquainted with three people who have undergone Nadi readings, and out of those, only one found the reading to be impressively accurate. This highlights the importance of doing thorough research and approaching these readings with a discerning mind. While Nadi readings hold a certain mystique, they are not infallible, and the quality and authenticity can vary significantly.

I don't know if this will help you, but in Chapter 44 of Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra, Parashara provides a method to determine the realm from which a soul has entered this life, whether it be from the higher or heavenly worlds, the world of the ancestors or Pitris, or the lower realms.

from the Santhanam edition:
4l-42. PRE-NATAL ABODE: ...the stronger of the luminaries occupying a decanate of Jupiter denotes descent from the world of gods. If the said decanate is Venus or the Moon, the descent is from the world of the Ancestors; if it is the Sun or Mars, it is from the world of the dead (of Yama); and if it is Mercury or Saturn, it is from hell.

There are other methods to find your previous loka, or realm, before birth that you can find if you rake the literature; many of them use the higher divisional charts like the D-108, which is very sensitive to birth time errors as one subdivision is 16.67 minutes of arc!

I would take all of these methods with a grain of salt.

Purvapunya, or merit from past lives, is shown from the 5th and 9th houses, as well as Jupiter and the Sun.
Dear AJ,
thanks for the feedback.
Would the criteria mentioned in your response apply to the pre-natal chart?
Thanks you
MG

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I didn't quite understand the role of the Hermetis Tutina in the context of the question: are you suggesting perhaps to make any astrological assessments on the conception chart obtainable with this technique?
The trutine of Hermes or conception time may answer the question 'Where am I coming from?' and set the scenario in this lifetime.
I have a friend who studied extensively these charts noting the major aspects and more specifically the Sun/Venus cycle from the conception to birth.
From this, he elaborated consultations to study a life biography in the womb acting like a mirror effect in a person's life.
In the book of Wachsmuth, say you have a conjunction Mars/Jupiter in the pre-natal chart, he helps you find your cosmic 'family'.
For example, Victor Hugo with Saturn in Leo constellation activated the inspiration and forces of the heart. If you have Saturn in Leo at birth, here is a cosmic companion where you may find inspiration in your life.
Christian Rosenkreuz, a Christian Kabbalist and alchemist said to have been the founder of the Rosicrucian Order is in the same family as Joan of Arc.
That is purely speculative unless we fully understand what is our mission on this earth.
But It's worth investigating.

Best to you,
Ouranos
Blessings!

Re: Death in the past life

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DrJohns89 wrote: Sat Aug 24, 2024 7:58 pm Would the criteria mentioned in your response apply to the pre-natal chart?
I'm uncertain whether this approach would work with a prenatal chart, as the shastra specifically refers to the D3 chart derived from the radix, or birth chart. The context provided doesn't extend to prenatal charts, which raises questions about its applicability. Even if you were to attempt using it with a prenatal chart, verifying its effectiveness would be challenging, if not impossible, due to the supernatural nature of previous lives, etc. The same uncertainty applies to using it with a standard natal chart, as the method was originally designed for a different context. This suggests that caution should be exercised before applying this technique outside of its intended scope.
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Regards.

Re: Death in the past life

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Rudolf Steiner said that the 'Conception (Epoch) Chart' provides the physical body needed for the approaching incarnation. If the natal chart is exact, the conception chart will create an interchange of the position of the Moon and the ASC or its opposite.
In Hermetic Astrology II, Robert Powell says...
"Hermetic astrology, so-called because it is based on the application of the ancient Egyptian hermetic rule for determining the horoscope of conception, consciously includes - in addition to the birth – the moment of conception (epoch) as an important part of the process of incarnation. At this moment there begins the building up of the etheric body from the cosmic ether, and the weaving of the "karmic cross" into the etheric body."
The Etheric body delivers energy to our physical body and is linked to growth, regeneration and all healing processes, what we can call life organization. The Conception Chart can thus be investigated in health issues as it can provide clues to what can be helpful on the spiritual level.

"Since the chronological starting-point of human nativities is naturally the very time of conception, but potentially and accidentally the moment of birth, in cases in which the very time of conception is known either by chance or by observation, it is more fitting that we should follow it in determining the special nature of body and soul, examining the effective power of the configuration of the stars at that time." (Ptolemy, Tetrabiblos III. 1 (trsl. F.E. Robbins, pp. 223-225)

Robert Powell found out that the moment of death is often indicated by transits to the Epoch chart.
For example,
German poet Novalis (1772-1801)
Death - Tr SA 25 Cancer conjunct Epoch SU 25 Cancer.

Rudolf Steiner (1862-1925)
Death - SA 19 Libra conjunct Epoch MO 19 Libra which is also his natal AS

One can understand here that death is also the moment when the etheric body withdraws from the physical body. And one can also look at the Fixed Stars and the Constellations where important placements are found.
Blessings!