anthony louis has a fascinating article up that some here might enjoy reading...

https://tonylouis.wordpress.com/2024/09 ... strologer/

Yes James, I am following his blog regularly and did not know that Lilly had a table with the octiles and semi-octiles.

Kepler retains from traditional astrology above all the role of the "aspects" resulting from the position of the planets and luminaries. This is clearly stated in a letter to Thomas Harriot from 1606: "For me, it is already ten years that I reject completely the division into twelve signs, the houses, the rulerships, the triplicities; I retain only the aspects alone and bring astrology back to the harmonic doctrine". (Rationalité de l'astrologie: l'exemple de Kepler, Fernand Hallyn)

Astrology is so vast and Kepler is a good example that you can spend a lifetime writing on one aspect of astrology and not reach the end of it.

Ouranos

hi ouranos

is that the place you are reaching or coming to in your astrological studies? - ie - " reject completely the division into twelve signs, the houses, the rulerships, the triplicities; I retain only the aspects alone and bring astrology back to the harmonic doctrine"? i am curious.. thanks..

is that the place you are reaching or coming to in your astrological studies?

No, I am not there. But Uranian planets add so much understanding to a birth chart.
And Hades shows up consistently in charts of astrologers interested by Ancient astrology.
Not surprisingly, Hades was in a Kite formation with the conjunction UR/NE in Cap and JU/AP in Libra when Project Hindsight was launched in the 90's.

You can read Eileen Nauman on Hades below
"I use Uranian planets exclusively in progressions for medical astrology work with a 90% accuracy rate."
https://junojuno2.tripod.com/hades1.htm
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Again Nauman on Hades
"The ability to perceive another person, their actions/reactions based upon the past of that individual. No one takes in the past as much as Hades does. They are wonderful psychotherapists able to peel back the layers to the root cause of the person's torment and imbalance, name it and lead them to it for healing."

thanks ouranos!

Be careful about taking what was a specific historical technique for judging decumbitures to assume Lilly used octiles and semi-octiles aspects as part of his general practice. Here he is not showing employment of those aspects but specifically breaking down divisions of the critical periods to establish judicial, intercedental and critical periods.

Lilly lists and explain the newly added aspects of Kepler right at the start of his Christian Astrology (p.32), saying; "We rarely use more aspects than the conjunction, sextile, square, trine and opposition: to these of late one Kepler, a learned man, hath added some new ones as follows ...". He then lists:
semisextile- 30°
quintile - 72°
tredecile - 108°
biquintile - 144°
quincunx - 150°

He then says: "I only aquaint you with these, that finding them anywhere you may apprehend their meaning".

He does make use of the semi-sextile in horary judgments, but only as a supporting indication when other favourable aspects are already telling a positive story. He never uses the semi-octile as a recognised aspect.

deb

you're the authority on william lilly, not me... i found anthony louis article worth sharing as it suggests a receptivity to ideas beng used in astrology today, outside the ''traditional'' scheme advocated by many.. everything that is written, doesn't cover everything that isn't and that would go for lillys ideas that might never have been captured in any of manuscripts associated with him.. as i read it, he believed in the merits of the use of these aspects, even if he only mentioned them with regard to reading decumbitures... if nothing else it could shake some out of their attachment to a more narrow focus of only the traditional aspects for use in other applications of astrology... but probably not, lol... i will stop here..

Linking Lilly to Uranian astrology is a long shot here.
I think the vision of Lilly coupled to a decumbiture is more like phases of the Moon. As when your doctor tells you to come back in 3 days. Astrologers would link it to the Moon changing sign or something like that.
And I see Anthony Louis writing this article with a wink.

Regardless of aspects, one thing that astrologers have shared since the Babylonians are 'sensitive points'.
The most obvious filiation of Uranian astrology goes back to Kepler. But Kepler's equation that relates various geometric properties of the orbit of a body first appeared in a 9th century work by Habash al-Hasib al-Marwazi, a Persian astronomer, geographer and mathematician.
As stated by a mathematician, Kepler's main contribution (to astrology, mine) is what we can call 'squaring the circle'.
Worth mentioning also that the first teacher of Alfred Witte was Karl Brandler-Pracht (1864-1939) who was influenced with the theosophical background of Helena Blavatsky. Nothing close to a materialistic view.
And Alfred Witte first article was on colors, numbers and tones, a Keplerian inspired text based on the notion of harmony of celestial spheres. More artistic than scientific.

When looking at a 'sensitive point', what some Uranian astrologers call a 'midpoint', this is the question.
SU/JU Will I be successful? MO/JU Will I be surrounded by happy women or will I live in a joyful family?
And the answer is the planet found in the midpoint, natal, transit or progression.
If a woman ask 'Are men (SU) safe in my environment (AS)?'
You can find MA there indicating fights and brawls, to quarrel but this can be tempered if MA is receiving a nice trine from JU or aggravated if it receives a square from SA.
And the aspects between the planets can already say a lot in the question itself, like Donald Trump with SU=MA/JU (SU trine JU). He did not have to fight for his fortune, contrary to what he says, it was inherited from his father as opposed to someone else with SU square JU who would have to build his fortune from the ground up. Instead, Trump is showing up all the bad side of the soft aspects (lazy, squandering his fortune, behaving as if everything was due to him yet optimistic with a childish side that makes him endearing yet annoying). But he also has SA/KR in the picture, the destituted king or ruler, sued by the authorities, the owner urgently requiring help.

It just happens that if you keep dividing the circle starting from 2 to 4,8,16 and so on, you will discover that they will all show up 'manifestation' simply because they are born from 2, the opposition, the mirror, the maximum growth, the realization, the Yin and Yang, sunrise and sunset, day and night.
More modern with the Harmonics, the distance between 2 planets indicates something in itself and instead of calling it an aspect, it can be viewed as a 'wave'.
"Similarly when we watch TV we see images of people moving about on the screen, but actually they do not move, they are constantly reconstructed by electrons hitting the screen. Even my explanation in terms of this thing called the electron is equally wrong because the moving electron is also an illusion of energy arriving at adjacent locations in a stream that makes the appearance of a thing. This is the essential nature of matter that wave energy arrives wave after wave at a central location which may even be moving, and after passing through the centre travels out again as the other half of the standing wave that makes it seem like a thing wobbling in place."
Ray Thomes - "Harmonic Theory - The Physics and Maths'
https://ray.tomes.biz/maths.html

Aspects are like waves.