The impression I'm getting is of Trump doing well around the time of the election with antifa etc and women activists taking to the street in protest but thereafter of a huge cloud of subsequent confusion darkening events and of a state of discord setting in later upon inspection (25 Sco = An X Ray) and finally of Trump (and followers) getting increasingly angry (Eris on MC) and all this around the time of the difficult FM (Nov 15) in Taurus 25° A large well-kept public park is basically about ''MAINTAINING LAW & ORDER''......now when the fact that the FM is tightly conjunct Uranus is taken into account you may well surmise that keeping order is somewhat difficult! So I would say we are facing 'the mob' here and the potential effects of 'mob rule'.

I'm not psychic so a degree of caution is needed but it does seem that we are heading for a mixture of chaotic largely 'unpredictable' events. I have noticed activity on the DC so perhaps 'foreign interference' is a strong possibility - esp Russian.

btw. I always describe 'mystic rectangles' myself as potential 'trapdoors' hence a factor in my apprehension about this chart. Also Pluto tightly conjunct the MC which obviously suggests a fight for power. Any planet on 8th cusp is also a cause for concern....we could do without that regarding recent events concerning Algol & Trump.

Date of Birth (local time):15 November 2024 - 16:28 (EST)Universal Time (UT/GMT):15 November 2024 - 21:28 Local Sidereal Time (LST):20:01:41House system:Placidus systemLatitude, Longitude:38°54'N, 77°2'WCity:Washington
Country:United States United States (US), DC

This is the chart for Trumps Quarter Return with Mars square Nodes and Eris on the MC.

As I said from the outset (in Trump will Lose thread) if Trump wins then why is he so angry? Surely a contraindication to events unfolding before our eyes?

Hello Greg,

The "Mystic Rectangle" was mentioned in Rudhyar's The Astrology of Personnality (1934-1935). At first, he called it a Mystic Rectangle but later on, he realized the inadequacy of the term, that it was confusing and he began to call it a "harmonic rectangle". A figure bringing very polarized elements together with a strong sense of organisation and a purposeful vision.
Can this also aplly to Israël and Iran? Or Russia and Ukraine?
The preceding lunation falls in Scorpio and no matter what rulership you use, Mars or Pluto, these 2 planets are in opposition. Like a self-suicide, even if that sounds redundant.
Projecting the Diurnal MC on the election day for the Sibly chart, it falls on the transiting Pluto.
Normally, the MC is the party in power and the IC is the challenger. We can see who's doing what here.
A final note on the combination Mars/Pluto from an Uranian perspective.
Planning, duplicate, to copy, to repeat, to multiply, to perform several activities at the same time, to divide, to split. Transformation and change in the activity in one's work.
Does it look like an endless recounting of the ballots? And a clash of wills. We see that when a rich person dies and the family of vultures assemble for a feast!
Ouranos

Greg Young wrote: As I said from the outset (in Trump will Lose thread) if Trump wins then why is he so angry? Surely a contraindication to events unfolding before our eyes?

Hi Greg,
Whether Trump wins or loses, he's quite capable of 'blowing his top' simply because people around him are not doing as he wants. He's on the record saying this time around he wants only people who are loyal, i.e. he wants toadies. So I can see him winning and then losing it if people don't carry out his orders. Although I grant you, he will probably definitely 'blow his top' if he loses. That Mars on his Asc in his radix does seem to make him a naturally volatile person.

Ouranos wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2024 4:34 pm Hello Greg,

The "Mystic Rectangle" was mentioned in Rudhyar's The Astrology of Personnality (1934-1935). At first, he called it a Mystic Rectangle but later on, he realized the inadequacy of the term, that it was confusing and he began to call it a "harmonic rectangle". A figure bringing very polarized elements together with a strong sense of organisation and a purposeful vision.
Can this also aplly to Israël and Iran? Or Russia and Ukraine?

2 points on Rudhyar, O.

He did tend to look on everything through a 'spiritual lens' rather than grappling with the horrors of everyday life and daily news. Secondly, I rather agreed with the 'mystical' angle..ie. as a Door between two worlds as its very common with people who believe in faerie folk, spiritualism, ghosts etc but this only exists under the congruent planets ie venus, neptune, moon etc with more malign influences it takes on a different character of the world 'suddenly' changing in a flash and not always for the best. Like everything it has a bad side and we have to accept that.

That's a bit like accusing an alcoholic of being drunk after 1 pint of beer, Jane.

It's a fair point you make but what I'm suggesting is that he will be fighting for his life, with no hands barred and this is shown by the charts themselves. As below.....

Black Lilith exact conjunct Mars in 7th

Saturn square Lilith

Chiron opp Chiron

And the Solar Return MC-Uranus square Trump Mars


Stella's chart shows it better than mine.

AquaStelLea wrote: Wed May 08, 2024 3:37 pm

Greg Young wrote: Wed May 08, 2024 11:43 am
The Solar return itself has Saturn-Neptune straddling the MC which has a suggestion of the 'martyr complex' which is commonly thought to garner support in the polls. I'm not sure about the last point but certainly the Saturn-Neptune conjunct may well imply a ''poor me'' victimhood feel to his candidacy. It doesn't indicate any great success though.

Most of the personal planets are square Saturn and by just a few degrees - yes he is frustrated. The tied down Gulliver effect.

SR Uranus-MC squares natal Mars hence the emergence of ''Mr.Angry''recently whilst in the SR chart the effect of Black Lilith's opposition to MC shouldn't be underestimated and its role in the subsequent t-square.

Sun, Mercury, Venus in Gemini square Saturn in Pisces. ''Sad! So sad!!!''As Donald would say.

Some would argue that the solar return chart does not stand by itself, detached from the nativity, but only as a transit chart to the natal chart. So we actually have SR Uranus on the natal Mc, sextile the SR Mc, which is trine the natal Venus Saturn conjunction. This would suggest something unexpected, surprising or revolutionary regarding his status or job or whatever is signified by his 10th house. It doesn't necessarily have to do with the elections. Maybe he will win the Nobel prize. Who knows?

Then again, if you insist on using the SR as a standalone chart, you will find TNP Kronos tightly conjunct the SR Ascendant (and USA's radix Sun), which would suggest that "Others are superior" and the native is a "Subordinate". Interestingly, SR Asc and Kronos are both almost exactly semisquare his natal Ascendant.

This is the Aries Point for FM Nov 15th...a mite on the explosive side?

Hopefully they all hunker down in their bunkers. Sigh.

Halfsums
ARIES POINT
MER/HADES
MOON/VULCANOS
SU/VULCANOS
MARS/URANUS
URANUS/VULCANOS

Greg,
To quote Rudhyar...
"At first, I called it a 'mystic rectangle ' because its shape seems to have been used in initiation chambers and temples of older civilizations; altars in these structures had also been constructions on its proportions".
...
The geometrical concept expresses this fact better than the alphabetic formulation, especially since letters T, X and Y are not Found in all languages. Today one should think universally, not in terms of national cultures and alphabets! (p.178 of Astrological Aspects)
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Yet, there is another reason given by Rudolf Steiner as to why the English language has become the translation norm for older texts.
Check out the word "tree" in several languages through Eurythmy and the 12 zodiacal Signs as related to human senses.
https://issuu.com/anthrousa/docs/being- ... s/13148947
A fascinating journey!
Ouranos

Hi Greg,

Greg Young wrote: It's a fair point you make but what I'm suggesting is that he will be fighting for his life, with no hands barred and this is shown by the charts themselves. As below.....

Agree he'll be in a battle but I'm not sure it's because he loses; rather, I think the charts show he will win but something occurs either around the inauguration date or possibly later, in the spring, that will result in Vance taking over; i.e. I think the battle will be an internal one; apologies for not making that clear in my first post; I was focused on your idea that he wouldn't be so angry if he won.

Janegca wrote:

Agree he'll be in a battle but I'm not sure it's because he loses; rather, I think the charts show he will win but something occurs either around the inauguration date or possibly later, in the spring, that will result in Vance taking over.

Thats my take too. I have had it ever since I noticed the Aries ingress MC falls close to Trump's ASC and exactly on JD Vance's ASC degree. If I get any time before the election I may put my own piece out on that. Its just the prediction list has been incredibly time consuming and become a bit of an all consuming monstor.

Mark.

janegca wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2024 9:22 pm Hi Greg,

Greg Young wrote: It's a fair point you make but what I'm suggesting is that he will be fighting for his life, with no hands barred and this is shown by the charts themselves. As below.....

Agree he'll be in a battle but I'm not sure it's because he loses; rather, I think the charts show he will win but something occurs either around the inauguration date or possibly later, in the spring, that will result in Vance taking over; i.e. I think the battle will be an internal one; apologies for not making that clear in my first post; I was focused on your idea that he wouldn't be so angry if he won.

Yes I agree, Jane, as I said -

The impression I'm getting is of Trump doing well around the time of the election with antifa etc and women activists taking to the street in protest but thereafter of a huge cloud of subsequent confusion darkening

I suspect that the overall electoral confusion about the result comes with the 15th Nov Full Moon as shown by the chart given above in OP. Now if are agreed that the Moons influence is noticeable a few days prior to full lunation we are looking at around 9 Nov for doubts to arise which then reach a peak on the FM itself around Nov 15th, 2024. Mars then triggers Pluto on degree 29 ''A Secret Business Conference'' suggesting a lot of discussion and intrigue behind the scenes. I would hazard a guess that Donald calls this ''Deep State'' connivance so although I'm wary of taking the symbolism literally usually in this case it would fit the circumstance...y'know a lot of powerful old men meeting and making big decisions behind the scenes, Oh well we'll soon see...or fairly soon..2025 perhaps!

I also want to give the chart the Scorpio ingress which suggests possible foreign inteference/attacks around Election day (see Mars transit opp Pluto sq Sun around Nov 5th).