https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Vance,_J._D.

this is jd vance's birth chart in tropical zodiac, as described in the adb link above..
i don't recall if vance's chart was discussed here at skyscript, so my apologies if i missed it.. i was mostly interested in the astrology of the moment for jd vances 19 minute speech in munich at the munich security conference... the schedule for this conference mentions his talk taking place at 5:30 a.m. - 6:00 a.m. shown in the link here - https://securityconference.org/en/msc-2025/agenda/ - if 530am feb 14th, 2025 in munich, the chart for this event look appear in tropical zodiac as shown below..
here is a link to the 19 minute speech for anyone interested.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCOsgfINdKg
a transcript is also available here
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video ... rence.html

in considering his natal chart, the most striking feature to me is the close position of mars angular at the bottom of the chart - i.c. / 4th house cusp.. that vance began to get noticed has come out of the book he wrote 'hillbilly elegy ' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillbilly_Elegy makes some sense if one thinks of this mars in scorpio at the nadir of his chart, especially if you incorporate saturn in scorpio also in the vicinity in a 12 degree to mars separating conjunction... a certain type of hardship is suggested in his upbringing.. that he should gain recognition via a book puts the idea of mercury in virgo rising into perspective... the man is very articulate and sharp as i see it... watching the 19 minute video where he is speaking without the aid of notes or a teleprompter are a part of this.. venus rising would give a certain attractive appeal which helps here too and venus as ruler of the 10th angular as well - certainly helps... i treat this venus as mostly a first house venus... the concentration of all his planets within less then a 150 degree span of the zodiac also emphasize the mans focus of purpose and ambition here, which isn't lessened with sun in leo further back off the ascendant..for the exotic astro buffs of obscure info and insight - the distance is actually a biquintile aspect which is supposed to demonstrate talents associated with the connection of these planets - sun and jupiter in this case... is it true?? lol.. the nice sextile between his sun and moon certainly adds to his harmonious and friendly superficial persona i am sure... only once you get to know the man, would some of the other sides to his personality begin to appear.. this is my own superficial read of his chart without going into it more... feel free to add to all this in a comment!

the event for february 14th also has mars angular, and to an extent uranus as well - indicative of the hard hitting and unsettling impact his speech has had on international affairs, in particular the relationship between usa and europe and nato more specifically...

see the biwheel below with vance chart on the inside and transits for 530 am feb 14th munich on the outside.. this highlights the transit of uranus on the midheaven of vances natal chart strongly.. what is less obvious is the event midheavan at the midpoint of vance's saturn-mars midpoint.. whether the chart is indeed accurate is open to question.. there is no doubt however that this speech given by jd vance will be remembered and discussed for a long time in international affairs - all as i see it - for the unsettling dynamic and for what it might suggest here moving forward on the world stage for all the players involved..

Hello James,

Thank you for providing link for birth data of J.D. Vance! However, actually, the link does not seem to work properly when I clicked on it: I had to go on the ADB website and make a search for the J.D. Vance page to get it. I've checked your link here and it seems to match the page, so I don't understand why we don't get on the page when we click on it here... Perhaps, you can try to correct it?

Best regards,
François

hi francois

thanks for pointing that out to me.. it is odd, but you're right.. it doesn't go to the jd vance page, although it did for me yesterday...

i will see if i can if i can fix that, but i believe it is still the same link that i am using.. here is the one that brings the page for me immediately below.
https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Vance,_J._D.

it looks the same, but i will edit it and see if it works better.. thanks! james

The chart for the speech in Munich should be 2.15 pm, James, but don't worry I was also wrong and was an idiot for trusting Chatgp for the time given. I won't make that mistake again!

Look I've even put up a proper chart for you -

thanks greg!

can you also give a link providing your source of 215pm local??? that would be most helpful, if the info in the link i provided is wrong... thanks!

James: This is the time I have from a live Fox News video clip of Vance's speech with a timestamp. He took the podium at 6:42 am MST. Munich is plus 8 hours from me, so the local time in Munich would be 2:42 pm on February 14, 2025.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIjmUxT9FWI
20 seconds in or so all of the US time zones are scrolled if you wait a few seconds...

thanks aj for your diligence in finding this..

the neptune nodal axis on the midheaven angle is appropriate... this new stance of the usa admin has certainly altered the viewpoint of partnership with the usa with regard to european security issues.. we now see the bureaucracy in the european union being even more hawish and militaristic.. it is a fascinating development.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPYbXKDxsZ8&t=1s

in looking at midpoints to vances chart that are highlighted by the angles of this 442pm chart in munich, the most obvious ones are sun/mars midpoint in vances chart at the midheaven axis of this new chart.. also venus/saturn midpoint in vances chart is also at this same spot... other then that - i am not seeing much.. the transit of sun in late aquarius is exactly opposite vances ascendant on his natal descendant as well - a sort of coming out and seen as a leader in his own right, as vice president to donald trump.. i think it was a significant speech that he gave which has rocked the foundations of a relationship that has traditionally been very stable - that of usa and european relations since ww 2... many pieces of the puzzle of international relations seem upside down here...

james_m wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2025 4:12 pm i think it was a significant speech that he gave which has rocked the foundations of a relationship that has traditionally been very stable - that of usa and european relations since ww 2... many pieces of the puzzle of international relations seem upside down here...

James: What you said here resonates with my own thoughts of late. The Trump 2.0 presidency is certainly shaking up the established order that has reigned since WWII. Vance's speech was particularly pivotal in driving home the message to Europe that "there's a new sheriff in town." Mars is highly prominent in the Munich speech chart, and I was curious to see how this fits into the broader picture of the EU chart. Below is the chart of the EU (Campion chart 420A) with the transits at the time of Vance's speech.

I'll highlight a few key observations that stood out to me on the day of Vance's speech. There is always more to analyze, but time is limited. Maybe more later.

Sidereal Warning! Using Krishnamurti ayanamsa.

On the day of Vance’s speech, retrograde transiting Mars was beginning to slow toward its station, moving at only 24% of its average speed—gaining intensity and strength. It was rising and positioned exactly on the Equal Bhava Madya (EBM) of the 12th house, associated with foreign visits and potential disruptions. With Mars ruling the 10th house of executive power and international standing, its exact opposition to the EU’s natal Uranus-Neptune conjunction in the 6th house likely triggered a strong reactionary undercurrent. However, the sextile from transiting Saturn to natal Uranus-Neptune helped EU leaders maintain composure outwardly—though internally, the collective sentiment was pretty unsettled. Given Mars' hard aspects to the 3rd, 6th, and 9th houses, this transit is undoubtedly prompting the EU to reassess its identity, military initiatives, and relevance on the global stage.
[As of this writing, transiting Mars has just passed exactitude of the EBM, 23Ge45.]

Meanwhile, transiting Uranus has been closely conjunct the EU’s natal Moon and activates the natal Moon's opposition Mars-Pluto for some time. This natal configuration likely explains the EU’s increasing involvement in outside political and military affairs—somewhat ironic, considering the union's original intent was to ensure economic stability and peace in post-WWII Europe. The simultaneous exact square to natal Saturn is exacerbating internal strains, disputes, and challenges among member nations.

Additionally, transiting Pluto, which has just separated from an exact square to the EU’s Midheaven (MC), signals an ongoing transformation of the EU’s global image. As Pluto moves through the 7th house, it is unsettling international agreements and may even disrupt the union’s internal cohesion. Importantly, Pluto will remain in close orb to the MC, retrograding in May before returning to form another exact square in early August—suggesting that the tensions and restructuring we’re seeing now are far from over.

Transiting 6L Jupiter in the 11H of could be making the EU overconfident in international relations and there ability to actually make change.

Ultimately, these transits paint a picture of an EU at a crossroads, grappling with external pressure and internal discord. As the geopolitical landscape shifts, the union is being forced to redefine its role in a world that is no longer operating under the familiar post-war order.

aj

thanks for doing this... you've taken the astrology into the question of the european union and what is happening to it astrologically at present.. it seems the monumental changes that the european union are in the midst of and implied by the astrology here, has met a catalyst - jd vance - who is helping to define the challenges for them as well.. uranus close to the degree of the natal moon - a similar set up to what israel has been experiencing with their natal sun at the same degree the past year ( 2023-2024)- are both undergoing this same slow uranus transit with it's unintended or unexpected byproducts.. the square of uranus transit to natal saturn in the eu chart, along with the opposition to the mars-pluto conjunction in the eu chart ( hitting an important t square in the eu chart with stationary saturn at top), is a lot of powerful energies to process... in fact from what i have come to learn about the european union - the stationary saturn has an outsized role in much of what is taking place in this union today... an unaccounted bureaucracy that is running everything from brussels seems to really grate on a number of the members..


perhaps an idea would be to open up a specific discussion on this european union chart, for greater commentary on it?? it seems jd vance walked into a charged atmosphere and is not to blame for what the underlying challenges are for the eu at present.. that would be my take.. he was just the match ready to light an explosive situation reflected in the eu chart more specifically...

https://conflictsforum.substack.com/p/r ... uro-ruling

james_m wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2025 4:29 pm it seems jd vance walked into a charged atmosphere and is not to blame for what the underlying challenges are for the eu at present.. that would be my take.. he was just the match ready to light an explosive situation reflected in the eu chart more specifically...

That's my feeling as well. Vance may have sparked some reactions, but the deeper issues within the EU were already there, waiting to surface. The economic strains, political divisions, and questions over long-term stability were all brewing before he stepped in.

The EU’s chart reflects these underlying tensions, and even without Vance, something or someone else might have triggered a similar reaction. It’s like watching a storm build up; the pressure was already in place, and he just happened to be the lightning strike that set things off. It’ll be interesting to see how this unfolds and whether the EU can navigate US/Russia/Ukraine challenges without further internal fractures. The EU is compensating by earnestly pushing trade deals around the US, i.e., in Canada and India. India is no surprise, as it is the EU's largest trading partner already.

thanks for bringing this up aj!

in looking to see if there was a thread for european union, i couldn't find one, so i am going to start one up in the next few days.. meanwhile, here are a few threads on jd vance that i happened to notice which i have included in this thread for anyone who is interested... they were coming out prior to the election in november 2024..

https://www.skyscript.co.uk/forums/view ... hp?t=12626

https://www.skyscript.co.uk/forums/view ... hp?t=12625

james_m wrote: Mon Feb 24, 2025 3:56 pm thanks greg!

can you also give a link providing your source of 215pm local??? that would be most helpful, if the info in the link i provided is wrong... thanks!

It was the 'scheduled time' but as we know things don't go to......