Mystery Chart No. 1 Identity Revealed
Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2006 12:48 am
Caveat!! If you don?t want to know the name of the native of Mystery Chart No. 1 ?stop reading now!!
Thank you all for participating. I?d like to go over every post in detail but that would require a lot more time and space than we have available. We can only hit on some highlights. Feel free to chime in with any and all questions and remarks. An awful lot of the information posted was right on the money. There are more than a few issues of technique and interpretation that we can and should discuss. I just can't mention them all in this post or it will be book length.
No one named the profession for which our native was most noted for, but since he had two careers, that is understandable. Some of the judgments cannot be verified or at least I couldn?t verify them. My sources consist mainly of various websites and a memoir written by the native. Let?s start with a quote from Tony Louis.
In this chart we have the Sun close to the MC and the Moon close to the ASC. Eyeballing the chart, I would estimate a significant event involving the parents about age 5 or 6 as the luminaries cross the angles by primary direction. Given the close square between the sun and moon, I would expect this event to be stressful. Because the Moon naturally rules the mother and also rules the 10th cusp, which traditionally signifies the mother, and the sun is in the 10th (the mother), I would expect this event to have affected the person's mother quite profoundly.
According to most biographies, the native?s mother died in 1950. The native himself said she died shortly before his 7th birthday, which would be July 1950. I could not find an exact date. One source said she died on his 6th birthday, but that would have been 1949 and I found no other source that gave that date.
If the birth time were altered by 3 minutes to 12:52, The Moon crosses his ASC in June of 1950, shortly before his 7th birthday
I would suspect that this person's mother became seriously ill or may even have died when he or she was about 6 years old.
Bull?s-eye for Tony.
This suggests a person of who can endeavor harsh things in life, one who steadily face the difficulties of life and fight back with constant "steadiness"
This could be the understatement of the decade. Or native faced racial segregation, and hatred, as well as death with the same calm almost detached manner as he faced everything in life. Great observation.
Mercury and Jupiter are in paran relationship with Scheat (the thinker), which suggests a person who goes for intellectual pursuit especially during the early (star rise with Jupiter) and later part of his life (star sets with Mercury).
Education was paramount in his life despite the fact that that field was not what he is best known for. When he discovered, while doing research, that there was no basic reference work on the struggles of black athletes in the US, he expressed surprise, disappointment, and then he wrote one himself. This is the way to approach problems ? not whine about them.
Now, the rest of the stars that have paran relationship with the traditional planets are active during his later years suggesting his public "appearance" and fame/notoriety came late...
?Late? is a relative term here since our native was known primarily and first for athletics. Athletic careers generally end when the careers of the rest of us are just getting going. So his more serious public life began after that which was ?later.?
At this point, sports fans, well sports fans my age, will probably recognize that our native is Arthur Ashe, the first black man to win The Championships at Wimbledon. But Ashe would say if he was remembered only as a tennis player he would consider his life to be a failure. While ?failure? is probably too strong a word he made this point to kids over and over again, that professional athletics is not a good route to follow for success because so very few have the talent to make it to the top of the professional ranks. Their time was better spend learning and preparing for a more likely future. To Ashe tennis was only a springboard to fame that he would put to better use. He even said of himself that his tennis career was ?selfish.? It was for him only. And he did putting to better use going so far as to use his impending death as a vehicle to educate others about AIDS, about death and dying.
I thought the same, except that I see Mars in the 8th whole sign house, which makes things worse with the marriage... but I'm wondering about the role of Venus, who trines Mars tightly and so receives him and gives him her "disposition, nature and virtue" as Bonatti writes. But Venus has not much virtue, being in her fall and in the 12th whole sign house - but she is in turn received by Mercury who is sextiling her, so that improves her situation. I cannot say exactly what this means , I would just say that the situation of Mars is not simple. I think I would still say that there's probably been problems with marriage.
Here we never know, but this exchange is important. By all accounts Ashe had a very good marriage, but none of us lived with him. What is important here is the understanding that a single placement does not necessarily tell the whole story. A malefic in the 7th should raise a red flag, but then we need to go deeper.
MC is exactly on the midpoint of Sun and Mercury, which would point to a man with an influential public role involving communications / writing. MC is also on Sirius, and Robson says here: "High office under Government giving great profit and reputation". So I would say this is a famous and influential man with a public position, which involves speaking or writing.
?Public position? is usually associated with government, but, as in this case, it doesn?t have to be. Ashe did both. He spoke frequently and in addition to the expected ?How To Play Tennis? stuff he wrote two books: the three volume Hard Road to Glory the aforementioned reference about black athletes in the US, and his memoir, Days of Grace. His reputation for integrity throughout his life was beyond reproach.
But I'm wondering the role of the Asc ruler Venus in her fall in the 12th whole sign house of self-undoing... The picture is not wholly as glorious as it would seem from the 10th house alone.
This is a good point, and no one is perfect. I don?t pretend to know what, if any skeletons were in the Ashe closet. But The ASC and ruler also represent the body. The way Ashe was said to have contracted the AIDS (through a tainted blood transfusion after heart surgery) virus was certainly not through any self-undoing. Venus rules the 8th, too and he tried to keep his illness private (a 12th house word), and that may be all there is to this. For all his athletic ability he had physical problems. He had two heart operations and a brain operation in addition to contacting AIDS through no fault of his own.
Wow!!! I wonder if he even survives 1992-1994 period - must have been hell for him.
Sadly he did not. Arthur Ashe died of complications due to AIDS on Feb 6, 1993 at teh age of 49. The official cause of death was pneumonia.
Several people mentioned the word ?stubborn,? or synonyms for it. This may be a case of the eye of the beholder. One man?s stubborn is another?s dedication. In order to rise to the top of the athletic world, or the part of it that the native occupies, one has to be extraordinarily dedicated. When everything tells them to give up, they usually dig in. Winners do anyway. So while the judgment was essentially correct the way it is perceived might cause the astrologer to say ?stubborn? or ?dedicated. It?s a tough call to see which is more correct. Perhaps the answer is in the temperament or significator of the manners.
Outside of tennis Ashe was uncompromising with his ideals. That too may be seen as stubborn or dedicated, depending on whether or not we agree with his take on those ideals.
The Sun Moon square seems to dominate the chart along with Saturn. It coincides with the death of his mother and that would have a lasting effect I am sure. Ashe barely remembers her, but he admitted that he felt an emptiness due to her loss and spent soe time with a psychiatrist to work this out shortly after he retired from tennis.
Morin tells us if the ruler of the 10th is in the first the native will earn honors in his life. Couple that with the Sun, the natural significator of honors in the 10th and fame is virtually assured. Ashe certainly had that. He was a thoughtful reflective man who enjoyed being an athlete, but as he described in Days of Grace, he didn?t want to end up like a lot of retired athletes: forever trying to relive the glory days. He wanted to do more.
Interestingly he noted that reputation was very important to him. This was instilled in him by his father, a man Ashe described as semi literate, but hard working and self sufficient. People seemed attracted to Asdshe not only as hangers on to a famous athlete, bt because of his dignity and his character.
There is a story about how Arthur received a letter from a little girl shortly after it was announced that he had AIDS. It said: ?Why did God send such a terrible to disease to someone like you?? His answer is very revealing and I don?t have the exact quote but it was close to this:
?Perhaps 50 million people will learn to play tennis. Out of that about 500,000 will play it for fun. Maybe 5,000 will at one time play it professionally. Of that number 500 will be good enough to play on the pro tour. Of that 500 perhaps 60 will play at Wimbledon; four will make it to the semi finals; two will be finalists; one will win. When I held that trophy I did not ask ?God, Why me?? Now in my pain I will not ask, ?God, Why me??
This was quite a man.
Tom
Thank you all for participating. I?d like to go over every post in detail but that would require a lot more time and space than we have available. We can only hit on some highlights. Feel free to chime in with any and all questions and remarks. An awful lot of the information posted was right on the money. There are more than a few issues of technique and interpretation that we can and should discuss. I just can't mention them all in this post or it will be book length.
No one named the profession for which our native was most noted for, but since he had two careers, that is understandable. Some of the judgments cannot be verified or at least I couldn?t verify them. My sources consist mainly of various websites and a memoir written by the native. Let?s start with a quote from Tony Louis.
In this chart we have the Sun close to the MC and the Moon close to the ASC. Eyeballing the chart, I would estimate a significant event involving the parents about age 5 or 6 as the luminaries cross the angles by primary direction. Given the close square between the sun and moon, I would expect this event to be stressful. Because the Moon naturally rules the mother and also rules the 10th cusp, which traditionally signifies the mother, and the sun is in the 10th (the mother), I would expect this event to have affected the person's mother quite profoundly.
According to most biographies, the native?s mother died in 1950. The native himself said she died shortly before his 7th birthday, which would be July 1950. I could not find an exact date. One source said she died on his 6th birthday, but that would have been 1949 and I found no other source that gave that date.
If the birth time were altered by 3 minutes to 12:52, The Moon crosses his ASC in June of 1950, shortly before his 7th birthday
I would suspect that this person's mother became seriously ill or may even have died when he or she was about 6 years old.
Bull?s-eye for Tony.
This suggests a person of who can endeavor harsh things in life, one who steadily face the difficulties of life and fight back with constant "steadiness"
This could be the understatement of the decade. Or native faced racial segregation, and hatred, as well as death with the same calm almost detached manner as he faced everything in life. Great observation.
Mercury and Jupiter are in paran relationship with Scheat (the thinker), which suggests a person who goes for intellectual pursuit especially during the early (star rise with Jupiter) and later part of his life (star sets with Mercury).
Education was paramount in his life despite the fact that that field was not what he is best known for. When he discovered, while doing research, that there was no basic reference work on the struggles of black athletes in the US, he expressed surprise, disappointment, and then he wrote one himself. This is the way to approach problems ? not whine about them.
Now, the rest of the stars that have paran relationship with the traditional planets are active during his later years suggesting his public "appearance" and fame/notoriety came late...
?Late? is a relative term here since our native was known primarily and first for athletics. Athletic careers generally end when the careers of the rest of us are just getting going. So his more serious public life began after that which was ?later.?
At this point, sports fans, well sports fans my age, will probably recognize that our native is Arthur Ashe, the first black man to win The Championships at Wimbledon. But Ashe would say if he was remembered only as a tennis player he would consider his life to be a failure. While ?failure? is probably too strong a word he made this point to kids over and over again, that professional athletics is not a good route to follow for success because so very few have the talent to make it to the top of the professional ranks. Their time was better spend learning and preparing for a more likely future. To Ashe tennis was only a springboard to fame that he would put to better use. He even said of himself that his tennis career was ?selfish.? It was for him only. And he did putting to better use going so far as to use his impending death as a vehicle to educate others about AIDS, about death and dying.
I thought the same, except that I see Mars in the 8th whole sign house, which makes things worse with the marriage... but I'm wondering about the role of Venus, who trines Mars tightly and so receives him and gives him her "disposition, nature and virtue" as Bonatti writes. But Venus has not much virtue, being in her fall and in the 12th whole sign house - but she is in turn received by Mercury who is sextiling her, so that improves her situation. I cannot say exactly what this means , I would just say that the situation of Mars is not simple. I think I would still say that there's probably been problems with marriage.
Here we never know, but this exchange is important. By all accounts Ashe had a very good marriage, but none of us lived with him. What is important here is the understanding that a single placement does not necessarily tell the whole story. A malefic in the 7th should raise a red flag, but then we need to go deeper.
MC is exactly on the midpoint of Sun and Mercury, which would point to a man with an influential public role involving communications / writing. MC is also on Sirius, and Robson says here: "High office under Government giving great profit and reputation". So I would say this is a famous and influential man with a public position, which involves speaking or writing.
?Public position? is usually associated with government, but, as in this case, it doesn?t have to be. Ashe did both. He spoke frequently and in addition to the expected ?How To Play Tennis? stuff he wrote two books: the three volume Hard Road to Glory the aforementioned reference about black athletes in the US, and his memoir, Days of Grace. His reputation for integrity throughout his life was beyond reproach.
But I'm wondering the role of the Asc ruler Venus in her fall in the 12th whole sign house of self-undoing... The picture is not wholly as glorious as it would seem from the 10th house alone.
This is a good point, and no one is perfect. I don?t pretend to know what, if any skeletons were in the Ashe closet. But The ASC and ruler also represent the body. The way Ashe was said to have contracted the AIDS (through a tainted blood transfusion after heart surgery) virus was certainly not through any self-undoing. Venus rules the 8th, too and he tried to keep his illness private (a 12th house word), and that may be all there is to this. For all his athletic ability he had physical problems. He had two heart operations and a brain operation in addition to contacting AIDS through no fault of his own.
Wow!!! I wonder if he even survives 1992-1994 period - must have been hell for him.
Sadly he did not. Arthur Ashe died of complications due to AIDS on Feb 6, 1993 at teh age of 49. The official cause of death was pneumonia.
Several people mentioned the word ?stubborn,? or synonyms for it. This may be a case of the eye of the beholder. One man?s stubborn is another?s dedication. In order to rise to the top of the athletic world, or the part of it that the native occupies, one has to be extraordinarily dedicated. When everything tells them to give up, they usually dig in. Winners do anyway. So while the judgment was essentially correct the way it is perceived might cause the astrologer to say ?stubborn? or ?dedicated. It?s a tough call to see which is more correct. Perhaps the answer is in the temperament or significator of the manners.
Outside of tennis Ashe was uncompromising with his ideals. That too may be seen as stubborn or dedicated, depending on whether or not we agree with his take on those ideals.
The Sun Moon square seems to dominate the chart along with Saturn. It coincides with the death of his mother and that would have a lasting effect I am sure. Ashe barely remembers her, but he admitted that he felt an emptiness due to her loss and spent soe time with a psychiatrist to work this out shortly after he retired from tennis.
Morin tells us if the ruler of the 10th is in the first the native will earn honors in his life. Couple that with the Sun, the natural significator of honors in the 10th and fame is virtually assured. Ashe certainly had that. He was a thoughtful reflective man who enjoyed being an athlete, but as he described in Days of Grace, he didn?t want to end up like a lot of retired athletes: forever trying to relive the glory days. He wanted to do more.
Interestingly he noted that reputation was very important to him. This was instilled in him by his father, a man Ashe described as semi literate, but hard working and self sufficient. People seemed attracted to Asdshe not only as hangers on to a famous athlete, bt because of his dignity and his character.
There is a story about how Arthur received a letter from a little girl shortly after it was announced that he had AIDS. It said: ?Why did God send such a terrible to disease to someone like you?? His answer is very revealing and I don?t have the exact quote but it was close to this:
?Perhaps 50 million people will learn to play tennis. Out of that about 500,000 will play it for fun. Maybe 5,000 will at one time play it professionally. Of that number 500 will be good enough to play on the pro tour. Of that 500 perhaps 60 will play at Wimbledon; four will make it to the semi finals; two will be finalists; one will win. When I held that trophy I did not ask ?God, Why me?? Now in my pain I will not ask, ?God, Why me??
This was quite a man.
Tom
