Me again with yet another probably obvious question! I'll see if I can explain myself clearly and hopefully this way I'll elicit some clear answers!


A number of charts have been discussed with the recent Saturn/Jupiter/Sun/Venus aspects, whereby the Moon applies to aspect, say, Saturn, but first aspects Jupiter or Venus.

In a chart where Saturn and the Sun are the significators, there is no current aspect apart from disposition. However, Jupiter collects or translates both as the bodies slowly move toward a Saturn-trine-Jupiter-which squares-Sun aspect.

NOW, in a 1st/7th house query chart where the moon is in Leo, it has passed the trine with debilitated Venus, but applies by conjunction to Saturn, the moon first trines Jupiter (say in the 5th) before it can perfect.

My first instinct is to say, "Not a problem," because the aspect is a trine and Jupiter at this time is very strong, which would IMO lend support to the applying trine between Saturn and Jupiter. In most of the texts involving prohibition and frustration, it is the slower bodies who perfect the aspect before the faster planet can perfect, but in this chart the fastest body 'carries' the trine from Jupiter and brings it to the conjunction with Saturn. That's how I see it in my imagination, at least. This would appear to be a positive or affirmative answer, if so.

However, doubt then settles in. Being that the moon is the fastest body and carries the weight of the 'action', and reaches first one slow body before reaching the body it's 'intended for' to bring the matter about, does this count as a form of prohibition or frustration? Can Jupiter in all its glory be a frustrator in this scenario?

Whew! Hope that's clear! Hope someone has a good answer!

The Moon contacts Jupiter first, picking up its light which it then relates to Saturn. So Jupiter is definitely thrown into the mix of the application between the Moon and Saturn, but I wouldn?t call this frustration. Lilly?s approach was to consider whether interposing planets were assisting or afflicting - Jupiter is itself in a friendly application to Saturn, and by being benefic in nature can be seen as an ?assisting? planet. I think this only points to the importance of identifying Jupiter?s involvement in the situation. Whatever it is, it will be helpful.

Excellent, Deb, thank you! It seems my instincts were correct; I didn't see how Jupiter in its current state could be anything but good. I had re-read Lilly's judgements on the benefics and felt that Jupiter would be a helper in this case, but wasn't sure that the 'action' of the moon would somehow be mitigated by first contacting Jupiter before Saturn.

Thanks very much!

...... Lilly?s approach was to consider whether interposing planets were assisting or afflicting - Jupiter is itself in a friendly application to Saturn, and by being benefic in nature can be seen as an ?assisting? planet. I think this only points to the importance of identifying Jupiter?s involvement in the situation. Whatever it is, it will be helpful.

Thanks,

That analysis helps a lot to clarify this issue.Otherwise, every interposing planet becomes a hinderer !!

PD