I'm wondering, of course, what will become of my relationship with my friend. We used to be an item, then two break ups and one 2 year stretch of not speaking to one another ended that. It was long-distance and now I find we're moving to the same city and possible even going to the same Uni (if I get past admissions) next year. Very weird twist in the bumpy road of our knowing each other. His parents never approved (they don't even know we're talking again), I traveled for a long period of our romantic relationship, we hardly had the ability to talk but the love was always, always there. The two years was relatively hard for the both of us - still sharing feelings for each other and trying, and failing to "get over" each other. He began communication between the two of us again last Memorial Day. We've known each other since May 25th, 2003.

http://www.thousandfoldworks.com/WRIAC5.BMP (Sorry the images aren't working right now.)

7th + Merc + Sun for him. 1st + Jup + Ven + Moon for me.

Applying aspect: Moon applying opposition to Sun. Sun applying trine Jupiter.

There's a few instances of collection/translation of light.

Mercury (his significator) and Asc are collected by Uranus, who's retrograde, and let's face it, he's Uranus so not the greatest. I feel that could represent either the ending of our relationship (I don't really see that happening, maybe) or it could be my big move (change) or maybe the end of his relationship, which is keeping us from having a steady relationship right now.

That opposition between Moon and Sun will be softed by Sun's sextile and Moon's trine to MC - translation (but not yet - both are applying.) Same with the Moon translating Sun and Jupiter shortly.

Mercury (terms, face) is in Jupiter's exaltation and the Moon's home, on the 8th cusp. Sun (ruler, triplicity) is in the 8th.

So both of his significators are in the 8th which I think shows his current relationship with someone else (a Scorpion nonetheless) and the fact that his part in this is taboo to everyone he knows (friends, family - minus a sibling or two are against his speaking to me).

My main significator, Jupiter (ruling sign, in Venus's terms, Rx) is in the 12th, showing how he's hiding me. Jupiter is also in the Sun's triplicity. Retrograde seems to show my uncertainty with the situation and myself in it, does it not? Co-significator Venus (fall, triplicity, Rx) in the 9th is hard for me to interpret. The 9th probably has to do with my halfway cross country move that will make the relationship, or is expected to, stronger. Venus is in Mercury's home. However other than that I don't see Venus's relevance here. Co-significator the Moon (peregrine, accidental dignity from Jupiter, Venus's face) is in the 2nd. I don't completely get this either.

Both of his significators are swift and the two of mine that are capable of it, are retrograde, does this mean that he will be the one carrying and building our relationship? I know the swifter significator belongs to the one who's likely to develop the relationship.

Can anyone help me in interpreting this? I feel I'm missing a lot.

Hi eon---

I dont have time at the moment so i will return lateron for detailed look. However, for the time being i feel that the 9H (Radix) is the most important factor in this horary.

-9th House is afflicted. detrimented Saturn smack on 9H cusp and is receiving an applying square aspect from detrimented Mars who happens to be smack on 6H cusp.

-The L9 is Sun in his essential dignities but in Radix 8H.

-The Moon (you) are in applying oppostion to that Sun.

So, the main issues are of 9H. I will return lateron.



Gryffindor

Oh wow, that's really interesting. I knew I would be overlooking something.

I appreciate you helping me! I look forward to figuring out what all of this will indicate. It certainly doesn't sound nice - stupid Saturn, Mars and 8th house having to go and stir up trouble!

Hi eon--

First of all Caveat : The Gryffindor's adobe 8 has gone mad and Gryffindor has not been able to Read an article about Hyleg delivered by Brady.

Horary can only provide an insight rather than a proof (Deborah Houlding).

It can not substitute the decision making process (Gryffindor)


Comming back to horary. I have tried to understand your first post regarding back ground information. I am not getting it properly. Like, was it a physical relationship? (which means that people use to meet in a real world) or was it a cyber relationship?

I dont use Outers to collect lights. And neither i use them unless they are stationary or smack on cusp or a significator or on an angle.

I concentrate on Prime significators. Secondary significators add fine tuning but they can not over ride the conflicting statement given by first ones.

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The angles are mixed. 1-7 is mutable and 4-10 are cardinal. So, the matter starts with indecision, twists and turns and ends with an action or change of some sort or need of an action.

The POF of this horary is in Gemini and smack on cusp of 7H and is disposed off by Mercury on 8H cusp.

The Moon is in aquarius. The Moon WAS effectively Void of Course in the past however, now she is in applying opposition to dignified Sun and her dispositor is a detrimented Saturn smack on 9H cusp. Moon is working but i dont like the fact the she is hindered by a dignified Sun, to sextile the Ascendant and L1.

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You are represented by Ascendant Sagittarius 15 degrees and 26 minutes, Lord of Ascendant Jupiter Rx going to stationary motion but would be direct in the second week of august. But since your significator is Rx and 12H. Have you to hide something from us or from him? Like another matter of heart in the intervening period. Jupiter in Sagittarius is Trine Sun (dignified) and sextile Moon. Are you pretty? (Gosh Gryffindor, you should be ashamed of yourself asking such question. Ofcourse she is. ).

He is represented by Mercury in Cancer smack on 8H or turned 2H. I am sorry. all what i see is his problems with his parents and concern with security.

Mercury and Jupiter are not in an aspect. and no body collects or translates the light.

Moon and Mercury are not in an aspect. Moon was applying out of orb Trine with Dsc and POF but engaged by dignifed Sun in a situation of conflict.

The Question is Who is Sun for this horary?.

Lets see. Sun is quite dignifed but bit old or mature in years Cause he is almost occidental. Some authority figure which would matter most.

He is Lord of 9H. But his house is not in good shape. Venus in her Rx and in her fall is in 9H. Plus Saturn is smack on cusp and this malevolent Urea Heep Saturn is in bad mood cause detrimented Mars is cajoling him in physical action which is not the nature of this malefic. Since both malefics are effectively Cadent and Mars in his house of joy (6H). You can pretty fairly guess what it could be.

Does 9H in your particular query represents

-University
-Cultural differences or
-Religion.
-Over seas travel.
-Lawyer

Whatever it might represent. He is helping you in one way. Trining L1. But is also frustrating your desires immediately in a locked horns fashion (opposition).

Solution.

Wait and see.

Your significator is Rx now a days. You will gain power in third week of august. You will be direct and have a bit of planetary motion.

Venus is in bad shape. She would be in bit better condition in Spetember. She does not bode well for any romantic ventures in her Retrograde period.

He (the person you mentioned) is under Sun beams, which means that whatever Sun represents, he is forcing it on poor Mercury.


The final question. was this a love horary. Love has many facets. It more at presents looks to me based on some security concerns. and some other issues.

....tomorrow would be another day (Scarlet O'hara--Gone with the Wind)

P.s Mars has lost his head (Algol) and Saturn is hurting---Fixed Stars

Horatio wrote: ...
Mercury and Jupiter are not in an aspect. and no body collects or translates the light.

Moon and Mercury are not in an aspect. Moon was applying out of orb Trine with Dsc and POF but engaged by dignifed Sun in a situation of conflict.
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There is no direct aspect, but can we take into account the fact that Mercury is in the sign of Jupiter's exaltation and Moon's rulership?
Is the Mercury received by both?

There is no direct aspect, but can we take into account the fact that Mercury is in the sign of Jupiter's exaltation and Moon's rulership?
Is the Mercury received by both?

You are right if the question only related to know about his/her feelings. However, in order for "feeling" to be materialised into some relationship of any sort, an aspect is necessary via body or via some help. Reception without an aspect is generosity.

Wow Horatio/Gryffindor! Thank you for helping so much! Could the Sun be his father? He's older, VERY authoritative (terrifying, terrifying man) and controls my friend by making him feel not-at-all confident in himself academically or financially. He's afraid that if he leaves his father's wing he'll be poor and unsuccessful.

As far as the 12th - I don't know if I'm hiding much from him. I suppose I could be more open with my feelings but it would really just be repeating what I've already told him.

We've never had a physical relationship before, which is one of the reasons that us both living so close, etc. is such a huge deal to us - we've known each other so well for so long and have yet to even meet each other physically.

This was not entirely a love horary. The question related to the entire relationship - romantic, friendship or even the break off of it.

I would believe it that he's worried about security - that will always be an issue for us as can be seen in our composite: http://www.astrobreak.com/tfworks/WRIAC3.BMP

So pathetic, that Earthy composite.

What I find very interesting now is that without using outer planets - Mercury is keeping to itself. Then it only co-rules the 9th with the Sun (besides the empty 7th which is obvious). Do you know what an unaspected significator means in a horary? I have never seen that before. He certainly seems to have little control, doesn't it seem? I feel so bad for him now. Hehe.

The 9th is either university or cultural (income) differences. However it's likely university as that is a huge part of this.

I have been laying low for the Venus Rx. This is the first Venus Rx I'm watching - two Rxs ago we broke up. We had no falling outs though - it was just a long story.

The way this is looking is that I should at the very least let things play out how they want to until he's at college (Sept). I have a question though if you don't mind - does the fact that Mercury is not in aspect to my significators mean that nothing will ever materialize, or it will not materialize until there is an aspect there?

Thank you again so much for your help and the time put into this. I really, really appreciate it and you've pointed out a lot of stuff I didn't see at all!

Thank you too LeLuu, I was wondering that as well but I think since it's mixed reception it isn't really strong enough. Unfortunately.

Hi eon---

Could the Sun be his father?

My first reaction in my initial post was to class this dignified Sun as his father but i would stick to what i wrote--and i may be wrong --Sun represents a person or a thing or a event of the nature of your Radix 9H or his turned 3H. Which has chosen the area of operation affecting your Radix 8H (anguish of mind/despair ) or his turned 2H (security/money etc).

We've never had a physical relationship before, which is one of the reasons that us both living so close, etc. is such a huge deal to us - we've known each other so well for so long and have yet to even meet each other physically.

I was particulary referring to Physical=People who meet each other and Cyber=friendship/love based on internet/chats and emails.

What I find very interesting now is that without using outer planets - Mercury is keeping to itself. Then it only co-rules the 9th with the Sun (besides the empty 7th which is obvious). Do you know what an unaspected significator means in a horary? I have never seen that before. He certainly seems to have little control, doesn't it seem? I feel so bad for him now. Hehe.

Mercury is not un-aspected. Mercury was applying sextile to Mars but this aspect is frustrated, cause Mars makes an aspect with Saturn first. Nothing was calm at his side at the time of horary.

Mars rules his turned 5H and 10H. However, if a planet is un-aspected it could mean that the person is in no mood of relating or alone or free to do whatever he wants to do or wander aimlessly.

The way this is looking is that I should at the very least let things play out how they want to until he's at college (Sept). I have a question though if you don't mind - does the fact that Mercury is not in aspect to my significators mean that nothing will ever materialize, or it will not materialize until there is an aspect there?

Normally horary covers period from 3 to 6 months. So, i could say that circumstances are not favourable right now or at the moment your are not his first priority. ...see Mercury trying to aspect Mars but is frustrated.

P.s Was this other chart a composite chart?

If i happen to share this chart with the daughter of the wealthiest Arab Sheikh. On, my world of honour. I am not going to date her. Three outers on MC and Pluto in wide opposition to Mars, Venus, Mercury, Sun and to make matters worse Jupiter is in 2H and in his detriment and to compound the issue, Mars is bit closer to 2H and Sun and Jupiter in 2H means that you two in relationship will spend money aimlessly. Dignified looking saturn at MC could have been a little help but he is in hard aspect with emotional looking Moon on cusp of First house.

Horatio wrote:P.s Was this other chart a composite chart?

If i happen to share this chart with the daughter of the wealthiest Arab Sheikh. On, my world of honour. I am not going to date her. Three outers on MC and Pluto in wide opposition to Mars, Venus, Mercury, Sun and to make matters worse Jupiter is in 2H and in his detriment and to compound the issue, Mars is bit closer to 2H and Sun and Jupiter in 2H means that you two in relationship will spend money aimlessly. Dignified looking saturn at MC could have been a little help but he is in hard aspect with emotional looking Moon on cusp of First house.

Wow, really? What does outers on the MC indicate?

Is the money the only problem?

What orbs do you use? I've been using Ptolemy's lately and like them - is this logical?