Seven Deadly Sins
Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 1:41 pm
Does anybody know if medieval astrologers connected the seven deadly sins to the seven planets and if they did, how did they do it?
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Not that I can see - as far as I remember the cardinal virtues match up with the humours, but damned if I can find a reference at the moment.Does Devore mention the four cardinal virtues?
Yes, that is interesting, if a little brain scrambling. I was trying to hang onto medieval in this context though.Oscar Ichazo connected the seven deadly sins with enneagram types like this:
That might be mental gluttony, stuffing in new things before the old ones have been digested. In the Enneagram gluttony correlates with Type Seven, which Don Riso and Richard Hudson describe as follows:Gem wrote:Mercury associated with gluttony??
http://www.enneagraminstitute.com/TypeSevenOverview.aspThe nature of their potential problem begins with one of their strongest assets?their agile minds. Type Seven?s thinking is quick and mercurial [sic!], they are curious, easily stimulated, and eager for new ideas and experiences. (---) This is like the person who has always wanted to see the pyramids in Egypt, and after much anticipation, finally embarks on a trip to see them. However, on arriving at the pyramids, the person is anticipating an exciting dinner in Cairo that night, or perhaps thinking about showing friends back home their pictures of the trip, and so "misses" seeing the pyramids. The person?s attention is elsewhere, no on the experience that they are having. Naturally, this decreases the enjoyment of the experience, leaving the Seven hungry for more.
The Sun signifies nobility and one of the main points of belonging to a noble family was that you didn't have to work. It seems that in the De Vore's system the Sun is not so much about being The Leader than about being The Priviledged One, someone whom others do things for.a spendrift, wasting his patrimony, and hanging on other men's charity, yet thinks all men are bound to him, because of a gentleman born.
Although he says ?Hellenistic? he actually considers this to have a much more ancient heritage, being rooted in Chaldean philosophy which is reflected in Biblical passages.It has been clear that the medieval and modern Catholic teaching of the seven cardinal sins, sometimes called the deadly sins, had a Hellenistic astrological origin.
I think you may be right about gluttony being a moral greed rather than simply a physical one. Thomas Aquinas said of it "Gluttony denotes, not any desire of eating and drinking, but an inordinate desire... leaving the order of reason, wherein the good of moral virtue consists." (2, 148, ad 1)And thereupon the man mounts upward through the structure of the heavens.
And to the first zone of heaven (Moon) he gives up the force which works increase and that which works decrease;
to the second zone (Mercury), the machinations of evil cunning;
to the third zone (Venus),the lust whereby men are deceived;
to the fourth zone (Sun), domineering arrogance;
to the fifth zone (Mars), unholy daring and rash audacity;
to the sixth zone (Jupiter), evil strivings after wealth;
and to the seventh zone (Saturn), the falsehood which lies in wait to work harm;
And thereupon the man mounts upward through the structure of the heavens.
The Sun is also a choleric planet, that fits poorly with indolence. But on the other hand, the Sun on the Ascendant would in practice seem to give to the appearance a certain innocent, almost etheric, quality (Joan Fontaine, Steffi Graf, Marc Almond, Andy Warhol for example). I was a bit surprised when I noticed that for a first time. First I didn't believe some birth times I got from acquaintances with the Sun on the Asc, they just didn't manifest what I thought that position should be like.Deb wrote:But I?m not confident in deVore?s association of indolence to the Sun. The ?domineering arrogance? related to the Sun?s sphere makes a much more natural association with the sin of pride and arrogance.
Does this mean that if you're star sign is associated or ruled by the above mentioned planet you're more likely to commit those sins more frequently and have those virtues too? Or did De Vore just tallied this from his analysis to the individual star signs and concluded its association to the sins and vistues?Kim Farnell wrote:De Vore gives:
Sins: Pride, Jupiter; covetousness, Saturn; lust, Venus; wrath, Mars; gluttony, Mercury; envy, Moon; indolence, Sun.
Virtues: Chastity, Moon; love, Venus; courage, Mars; faith, Jupiter; hope, Sun; wisdom, Mercury; and prudence, Saturn.