exceptions to the rules (general) 1 by cnelson90036 If a planet is combust but the Sun is a significator and the planet combust is a significator of the querent, does the combust still lead to a negative reading? For timing, would a close conjunction imply a coming event? How does a cazimi in the house of the quesited affect the outcome? When the lord of the querent is in the house of the quesited, what does that generally imply? What about the reverse - lord of the quesited on the ascendent or in the 1st? If Saturn in the 1st or on the ascendent is negative for the reading, what about when Saturn is significator for the quesited? Does the 5 degree rule for planets near the next house apply in reverse for retrograde planets? When does the last 3 or 1st 3 degrees rule of the ascendent get an exception? When planets are in mutual application but the faster planet is changing signs, does that diminish the impact? If two planets are in mutual application, what orb is used? Do you use the application the querent planet makes or the faster planets? Meaning the querents significator is Jupiter 15 degrees Aires and the quesited planet is the Sun 10 degrees Leo, do you use the the application the Sun is making or do you look at it as Jupiter is in 5 degree separation? Thanks C Quote Mon Feb 18, 2008 7:38 am
2 by yuzuru No, there is an example in Lilly about a horse... querent is combust, but sun is the horse, so the horse will go back. Meu blog de astrologia (em portugues) http://yuzuru.wordpress.com My blog of astrology (in english) http://episthemologie.wordpress.com Quote Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:01 pm
3 by Deb Too many questions to get detailed answers for any of them, but here follows a few quick answers to some of them: If a planet is combust but the Sun is a significator and the planet combust is a significator of the querent, does the combust still lead to a negative reading? For timing, would a close conjunction imply a coming event? Combustion is usually, but not *always* negative. For example, a new (combust) Moon is desired for things that need to remain secret. The application of significators would suggest a ?coming together? for good or bad (the rest of the chart needs to be considered) and so, yes, it can be used for timing. If Saturn in the 1st or on the ascendent is negative for the reading, what about when Saturn is significator for the quesited? In many cases this will mean that Saturn is placed in its own sign, and that is not a bad thing. Traditional texts will often say that Saturn is bad in a certain house, unless it is in its own sign. Does the 5 degree rule for planets near the next house apply in reverse for retrograde planets? If the planet is within 5 degrees of a house cusp, its influence if given to that house. It makes no difference if the planet is retrograde. When does the last 3 or 1st 3 degrees rule of the ascendent get an exception? It?s not so much that the rules get ?exceptions? but that they need to be judged within context of the question and the chart. If we know, for example, that a situation is very early or very late, the ascendant degree might make sense in being descriptive, and might help to make sense of the rest of the chart. Quote Tue Feb 19, 2008 1:45 pm
exeptions to the rules 4 by cnelson90036 Thanks for your responses. So much to learn about that my mind is filled with so many questions. Keeping things pretty general forces me to think hard. More questions If no applying aspects are present but mutual reception occurs, what kind of answer does that generally represent? If the 6th, 8th and 12th houses are generally negative, how does one of the lords in the quesited house affect answer? What significance does natal connections of the querent to the Horary chart? Would it just be the Ascendent or would the other angles come into play? Thanks C Quote Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:17 am