"Is the house haunted by a restless spirit, and if so, is it friendly?"

Sept 1st 2008
11.29 am EDT
Kinnelon, NJ, USA
8 deg 34 mts Scorpio rising

I bought a house. At the time that we went to see it, it welcomed us completely. It had some serious flaws, that I, somehow, for reasons I can not understand right now - completely disregarded and went ahead with a major financial transaction and bought the house.

There are many serious flaws with the house that I did not seem to realize when the decision was made to buy it. For example, it's dark - the sun doesn't shine much in it. It has all kinds of creaks. The kitchen has some major issues. The bathroom fixtures are antique. It is JUST NOT the kind of house that I would under "sane" circumstances would have bought. Yet, I bought it.

We moved into the house on August 30th. This house is 75 years old. The first night, while my husband was in the bathroom, I heard footsteps in the room above me. Then, I took a nap that afternoon, and I could swear I heard knocking on the door. I asked my husband if he was knocking and he said "no, it wasn't me". The next day, some friends came over. My friend has psychic abilities, and the first thing she said to me privately was that she was greeted by an old woman that has gone. I asked her if the energy was negative, and she said "no, she means no harm". Then, 2 hours later, the car alarm went off for no reason, and the light turned on inside. Then my friend asked me how many entrances there were to the house; I said "4". She said "Are they all locked", and I said "Yes".
They left. I kept sensing something around me. I was restless in my sleep all night. I could not help but keep looking outside the windows. The next morning, my husband woke up before me and said "The side door is wide open - did we forget to lock it"? I said "no, I locked all the doors. I was terrified. My husband comforted me.

The next day, I took my mother's Holy Quran and went from room to room, and around the perimeter of the house, asking God's protection. I sensed a strong presence in the living room and other areas of the house.
I could not stop my mind from feeling totally at ill-ease. Another friend of mine knew a medium, she said he was amazing accurate. I called him. He was pretty amazing; he talked of things that were spot on, and he had no clue of. The first thing he asked me if my mother was dead or alive. I told him she had passed away. He said he saw a mother figure hovering around me, probably mine, "fiercely" protecting me and my children. He said that there were energies in the house that had welcomed me into the house, and they had practically moved in with me, because they had an affinity with my energy AND my daughter's. He mentioned that there was a shield that was protecting the house, and he said it was to the left of me. I looked, and it was my mother's Quran. I had gone around the house the day before with the Quran and saying prayers. He said there are spirits, but they are not negative, they were outside the shield. They are curious and looking in, especially at my daughter who he said has a very bright light around her, and has very strong psychic energies herself. He said that there was some tremendous healling that had occured in the house, or spiritual energy, that has amplified my own energies and is resulting in affecting me as it is. I was more terrified (even though whatever it is is not apparently evil, or wishes me harm).

That day, my husband, who was obviously worried about me, asked the question:
"Is the house haunted by a restless spirit, and if yes, is it friendly".
I did not know that he asked this question, I found out only today. The chart is very scary, it really is....

So my husband is Mars, I am Venus, and the house is appropriately ruled by Saturn - an old house, peregrine. Saturn also rules the 12th from the house - hidden things in the house. So I am looking to the 12th from the 4rth, and the 8th from the 4rth. I notice that the 8th from the 4rth is packed. 8th: death in the house.

The house has Chiron (the healer) conjunct the north node, conjunct Neptune. There is tremendous reception between Saturn, the house AND the hidden things in the house - and me (Venus, 7th) AND the 5th from the 7th (my daughter?) in the 8th from the 4rth. The house is RECEIVING us with open arms, it wants us there. It's not just the house, it's also the 12th from the house that is receiving us. And all the activity is coming from the 8th from the house.

Jupiter (resources of the house) is coming to a trine with the house - not sure what that means, but I am planning on some upgrades to the house so that it won't scare me so much, and try to brighten it up a bit. Saturn is also receiving the Moon (co-ruler of my husband).

I am plagued by turmoil; not just on account of the "unknowns" in the house, but also the major finanical outlay that has occured. I want to sell it fast, but will I be able to sell it? What will be my losses?

I can't really read this chart anymore because it's a bit much for me. I've never felt so disoriented ever by a house. Any help would be much appreciated. If you do see something, please don't sugar coat it. It is better that I know up-front and take measures to protect us and my daughter/children.

Thanks to all.

What an interesting question to analyze. I've never done such a chart.

House is ruled by Saturn combust Sun which fits since you said its old. Combust Sun: probably in need of repair.

Hmm, Neptune Retro in 4th (the home). Neptune, natural ruler of 12th - the spirit realm, & Retro, returning to the house?

.... ooooo spooky!

RC

Hello,

This definitely a horary of a different colour. My experience is that I can never really judge my own questions objectively. In your situation I would suggest that is even more so with all the anxiety this question is bringing up for you. Your probably wise to put the chart aside right now.

You do seem to have two separate issues here. One concerning your concern about a spirit presence and the second about selling the property. Although in the circumstances I understand why selling appeals to you.

I am afraid I have no time right now but I will take a look at this over the weekend. I think Deb is exceptionally busy right now preparing for the Blast Conference in the US so I dont know if she will have any time at present.

First things first though. Who asked the question? You or your husband? I am assuming its you?

The next thing we need to establish is what house might signify a spirit here?

There was a discussion of a possible haunting some time back on the forum. I seem to remember it generated a very interesting discussion of what house in the chart symbolised a spirit?

The 12th house traditionally would indicate a more malefic influence. This is traditionally the house of bad spirit. However, the 11th house is the house of good spirit. Then there is the suggestion for the 8th house as the house of death. Someone also suggested the 9th house.

Personallly,I think the 11th and 12th house rulers are worth checking. I will take a look and feedback over the weekend.

As you seem so distressed by this situation it might be worth looking at other options beyond astrology such as an Imam or minister of religion who could provide you with advice and counsel to help assuage your fears. Fear can be a demon when we let it grip hold of us.

MarkC:

I will take a look at this over the weekend. I think Deb is exceptionally busy right now preparing for the Blast Conference in the US so I dont know if she will have any time at present.

First things first though. Who asked the question? You or your husband? I am assuming its you?

The next thing we need to establish is what house might signify a spirit here?

Thank you kindly for your response. My husband asked the question, but I'm very much in there, since I feel the presence of something in that house and I don't know if he does or not. He asked on my account probably because I was getting so paranoid about the whole thing.

I took a look at Christian Astrology; and found a similar question in there:

If one be Bewitched or not.

Except, in this case, we are wondering if the house is "bewitched" or not, hence taking the 4rth as the "ascendant" and turning it accordingly. Lily places emphasis on the 12th, 6th and 8th houses:

If the Lord of the 12th be in the 6th, or the Lord of the 6th in the 12th, or the Lord of the ascendant in the 12th, or the Lord of the 12th in the ascendant, or the Lord of the 8th in the ascendant, or the Lord of the ascendant in the 8th, in a Question where suspition of Witchcraft is, it is probable; otherwise not so: But the Judgment succeeding I have found more certaine.

None of above conditions are true, but I just wanted to show the emphasis on the 3 houses he mentions, because each of these houses in the chart tie in quite tightly into the horary that my husband did.

Below text seems to tie in exactly with the chart:

It?s a received, generall Rule amongst those Artists that know the Cabalisticall Key of Astrologie, that if one Planet be Lord of the ascendant and 12th house, that then the Sicknesse is more then naturall:

It is, Saturn rules the 4rth and the turned 12th from the fourth.

when Saturn is Lord of the ascendant and 12th

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It is

and in the 12th Retrograde

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It is not

or in the 7th or 8th house in the same condition

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It is in the turned 7th from the 4rth

and the Moon being Lady of the 6th,

It is, of the turned 6th from the 4rth

apply to Saturn

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It does not

we constantly judge the party enquiring is Bewitched or Fore spoken, or that an evill Spirit hath power over him, and that the Infirm will be sore oppressed and disturbed in his Fancy, if not distracted.

Based on the text above, there appear to be plenty of testimonies that the house is "bewitched".

If the Lord of the ascendant be Combust,

It is; (i.e. Lord of the 4rth, since we are enquiring about the house)

or infortunate in the 12th, or joyned to the Lord of the 12th, there may be great feare, that the party enquiring or enquired for is Inchanted or Bewitched, or else some evill Spirits doe hant him,

Another testimony for it being haunted

If the Lord of the ascendant be Lord of the 12th, and Combust

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It is

you must observe of what house the Sun is Lord, and in what Signe and quarter of Heaven he and the Lord of the ascendant are, and judge the Witch liveth that way; describe the Sun Sign as he is, and it represents the person.

Now that's a tough one which I can't figure out. If we turn the chart from the 4rth from the perspective of the house, then the Sun rules the 7th; could that signify "enemies" of the house? But what is an "enemy" of the house?
If you turn the chart from the querent's perspective (i.e my husband), then Sun rules the 10th. From my perspective (from the 7th), then the Sun rules the 4rth.
I can't figure this one out...

If the Lord of the 10th afflict the Lord of the ascendant in the 12th, it?s doubtlesse the hand of God, or by some supernaturall power or cause.

It does, if you don't turn the chart from the 4rth, so here is yet another testimony of some supernatural power doing the affliction.

In places where people are troubled with Witches, as in many places of this Kingdome they are, these Rules will hold: as also, if the Moon be in the 12th, in Opposition to the Lord of the ascendant or 12th.

The Moon is not in the 12th, but it's in the turned 8th from the 4rth, which to me seems just as bad.

Interestingly, I also notice that the ruler of the 4rth (Saturn) is coming to trine with Jupiter; and Jupiter, in fact, rules my turned 8th.

Is this thing about to kill me or what?

I dont' think I have ever seen a chart with so many testimonies that the house is, in fact, haunted.... can someone disagree with my analysis?

Your feedback much appreciated.

Just a quick comment to say that actually this question has come up in the forum a couple of times before. Here's a link to one old thread in case it proves useful:

http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1410

As MarkF points out, Lilly made pertinent remarks on p.213 of CA, and some of the text in the 12th house section is relevant. I mention this because the significance of the 4th house to signify the property in question might get overlooked.

Sorry you are having a hard time in the house T7, I hope things improve soon.

Deb

Taurus7 wrote:If we turn the chart from the 4rth from the perspective of the house, then the Sun rules the 7th; could that signify "enemies" of the house? But what is an "enemy" of the house?
If you turn the chart from the querent's perspective (i.e my husband), then Sun rules the 10th. From my perspective (from the 7th), then the Sun rules the 4rth.
I can't figure this one out....

Taurus, I think of this as a "Describe the thief" situation, and since it's in reference to a spirit thought to be disturbing the peace of the house (the spirit did not come in the door with you and your husband, but was already there), the ruler of the seventh from the fourth would seem to me a good choice for describing the spirit.

This would be Sun, appropriately conjunct the lord of the 12th and Asc for the house, in Virgo and peregrine - hence, a lost or wandering soul but (trine benefic Jupiter in the radical third of visitors) not malign. Jupiter's disposition by Lord 12 describes the visitor's situation - lost (Saturn peregrine), earthbound (Saturn in Virgo), fallen to earth (Jupiter in Capricorn).

Lilly's directions for finding the location of the witch do not strike me as applicable in the case of a spirit, which is probably confined to the house and/or property, but free to roam within those limits; there might, however, be an attachment to certain rooms in the house or parts of the property, in which case the direction indicated by the Sun in Virgo, in the Southeast quadrant of the chart, would indicate a southerly section on a lower floor or area of land.

If you do have a ghost, this spirit needs to be treated with firmness but compassion and I think Mark's suggestion was a good one - find an appropriate spiritual counselor who can help to lead the soul toward the next steps across the threshold.

Hello T7,

Sorry to be a pedant but can I just clarify a few details about how this question was timed? I am a little confused.

Your initial question was put like this:

Is the house haunted by a restless spirit, and if so, is it friendly?"

Sept 1st 2008
11.29 am EDT
Kinnelon, NJ, USA
8 deg 34 mts Scorpio rising

In your first post you state:

That day, my husband, who was obviously worried about me, asked the question:

"Is the house haunted by a restless spirit, and if yes, is it friendly".
I did not know that he asked this question, I found out only today. The chart is very scary, it really is....

Then in your latest post you state:

My husband asked the question, but I'm very much in there, since I feel the presence of something in that house and I don't know if he does or not. He asked on my account probably because I was getting so paranoid about the whole thing.

So are you saying your husband had already asked this question unknown to you and when this came up for discussion again a few days ago you took that as the time for the question? If you only found out about this today why is the chart timed for 4 days ago?

So are you saying your husband had already asked this question unknown to you and when this came up for discussion again a few days ago you took that as the time for the question

?
My husband asked the question at the time/day indicated, so the chart is for that data. I just didn't know that he asked the question; I did not re-ask the same question, I am looking at the chart that he did. There is no other timing involved except for the data for the chart indicated.

Hope that makes it clear? Sorry for the confusion.

The only reason I brought up the fact that I didn't know about the chart is because what the psychic said closely mirrored what the chart says. But my husband did the chart BEFORE I spoke to the psychic. I found out about the chart only AFTER I spoke to the psychic.

I see so he does astrology too!

I was wondering how else he would have such a precise time for his question.

Thanks for clearing that up. Now back to your chart.

Being "bewitched" and having a spirit guest are two entirely different things unless I am not understanding the way Lilly used the term "bewitched".

Bewitched means, cursed or under a spell. That has nothing to do with "hauntings".

RC

Being "bewitched" and having a spirit guest are two entirely different things unless I am not understanding the way Lilly used the term "bewitched".

While what you say is true, but at the same time strong connections of the 8th, 6th and 12th to the 4rth, I think, would indicate the same sort of scenario.

In other words, the house could be "under a spell" (so to speak) by virtue of the spirit-spirits that haunt it.

I have pointed out the strong connections between the 4rth to the 12th and the 8th, but I don't think I brought up the 6th yet.
Now I also wanted to point out the strong 6th house connection to the 4rth house.
The Moon, which indicates the general "flow of events" in relation to the question, just happens to rule the 6th house from the 4rth.
Deb's website refers to the 6th as:

Illness and disease, its condition and cause, whether the illness will be short or long, curable or not. ...Sorrow. Generally this is regarded as a house of weakness and affliction. As a cadent house it represents alien or unhelpful conditions.

So anyway, in this chart, the Moon rules the turned 6th from the 4rth - or the sickness of the house. And it is conjuncting my ruler in the turned 8th from the house. How much worse can it get? IThen, it goes on to conjunct Mercury (my daughter/children?), and then Mars (my husband?). don't exactly know what the "sickness" of the house conjuncting our rulers actually means - maybe someone can help me out here.

This whole chart has so much going on, if you turn from the fourth, and all connected to the 6th, the 8th and the 12th. What I find interesting is that there appears to be NO other house involved at all....