Hi,

I want to ask if someone I know (the 7th House - Mr X) is in contact with my ex-neighbour and I would like to know which house I should assign for?

Normally, neighbours belong to the 3rd house but since the person is no longer my neighbour as I moved away. Mr X and ex-neighbour got to know each other as a worker (Mr X) and a tenant (ex-neighbour) initially but no longer have that connection so Mr X could be a friend of my ex-neighbour. If that's the case, I could also be looking at his 11th House (counting from 7th so that's 5th House counting from Asc).

Does anyone know this? Should I just be looking at the 1st, 3rd, 7th and 11th House?

ancientstars

Hi,

What bearing does 'Mr. X's relationship have on you? Is Mr. X your boyfriend and you are worried that he is cheating on you, or something? I mean, there needs to be a good reason to ask.

GH

hi Gunhilde,

There is a good reason. Mr X isn't my ex bf, he is someone I know (he considers me as his friend but I don't know if he qualifies as friend enough for me). I need to know if he is doing something behind me, e.g. he could be passing on my information to my ex-neighbour who is very manipulative and expert in getting any information she wants, if so I will have to be careful what information I give about myself.

ancientstars

Wow, ex-neighbour, ex-boyfriend, friend, tenant, lord...dizzy!!!

But, why complicating!?If you work with your best friend and have a question about your best friend, you'll look what the 11th house has got to say, right? regardless of the fact that person also works with you. We're often connected to people sorrounding us on multiple basis, I believe we should stick to whichever relationship is the most important and intense one. That is, of course, just what makes most sense to me.

Furthermore, my common sense tells me there must be a reason why you want to know if Mr X is communicating (if that's the right word here) with someone (correct me if I'm wrong) and, if so, you're basically interested in one part of Mr X's life that might be including another person and thus, you're actually interested in Mr X! He is your ex boyfriend, you're interested in his private life ie it is all 7th house matter. Right? Why not concentrating to what comes first and seems most important here and let the rest of the chart tell you who it is he is in comntact with. Though, I must say, "being in contact" is a wide term. And, having said that, it comes to my mind (for the first time ) that tenant/ex-neighbour person might be a potential Mr X's love affair! Is that the case? (because, in that case you again have a love chart and a 7th house matter I'd say)!
You also say he thinks of you as a friend, but what is he to you? If you trully are just friends now, than he'd be presented by the 11th but I somehow doubt that's the case. The third option would be that you're actually interested in that tensnt/ex-neighbor person but, again, it would be important to know why and I believe if that was the case, you'd ask a question about ex neighbor being in contact with whoever the other party might be and not the other way around.

So, basically, I think what this information means to you and what you intend to use it for makes the whole difference here. Needles to add- it's important to know what you mean by "contact"! If you just mean "being in tuch", the 3rd house of communication with others should help but there are other types of contacts ( 5th house gives answers to questions concerning one of them) .

Hi, ancientstars

a word of advice.

To me, astrology is a technique. But it doesn?t mean that is "mechanical". We can?t say anything at all about a chart without fully understanding the background, the question, and why the question was asked.

that?s because, although many horaries are very much alike, no two horaries are really born equal. There is an "organical" aspect to them, and so we have to let them breath.

For example, in your question, as you didn?t give any background, we could have just as easily the following scenario: "I am in love with my ex-neighbour and I want to know if Mr.X is seeing her". In that case, the ex-neighbour would be house 7, and we would have to find a place for Mr. X somewhere in the chart.

In the case you want to know if you can trust him. As a Narnia?s reader, I am against that kind of question (one of the lessons of the Lion), there are better methods to know. But if you want to do the horary anyway, look for his ruler and his essencial dignity, aspects and house position, and see if he seens to be lurking with any suspitious planet, specially the 12th house ruler.

First of all, thank you for your comment aglaya. I wasn't going to write a full story of my past life to bore you that's why I kept my story short but it looks as though I do need to write a chapter or two to find out where my ex-neighbour belongs to which house.

As I stated in my previous post, Mr X is not my ex-bf. I should have called him Mr A or something, I'm sure by calling Mr X must lodged in your head that he's my ex-bf. I haven't had a bf for over ten years! LOL

This is not a best friend situation at all and no love, romance involved with any parties.

To give you a background of my ex-neighbour: She is a witch, she's into dark art and also like spying, particularly what neighbours are doing etc. One time she was asking where my shed was which was none of her business so I didn't tell her but she found out anyway. Whole lot of stuff has been stolen since them.

"Contact" means SMS, telephone or one to one conversation and no sex involved.

Mr X has lied to me number of times and I am reluctant to be friend with him even with his persistant texting and being nice to me.

Do you think uploading a chart will clarify my question?

yuzuru,

To be honest, if they wanted to have a romantic relationship, good luck to them! But I doubt that's what Mr X wants. He has a particular needs...shall I say. The witch ex-neighbour is dominant mistress and Mr X is also dominant so it will not work as a love relationship.
I have a feeling that he IS in contact with the witch because:-

1. He (7th House ruler) is trine to his 12th House (Aquarius) ruler Saturn (traditional) and also sextile to Uranus (modern - I know!).

2. His ruler is in his 11th house but weak (Jupiter in Cap), his 3rd house ruler Venus is conjunct with Jupiter.

I think Horary is generally very good at giving me answers. I will not know the truth from him if I ask if he's in contact with her. And finding the answer, it helps me to decide whether to stop responding to his text and cut ties with him or not. If I was to continue communicating with him, it will only be on a friendship basis. I have yet to tell Mr X my new address and I don't want the witch to get hold of my new address. Do you think this is a good enough reason to ask Horary??

ancientstars

To be honest, if they wanted to have a romantic relationship, good luck to them!

oh, I was just saying hypothetically ! Didn?t think you would understand I was implying they are having an affair !

Do you think this is a good enough reason to ask Horary??

Only you can answer that. But my point is not about ethics is more the risk of getting it wrong with horary.

astrologers can always get it wrong- ars longa vita brevis - so any horaries asked about people?s intentions or motives, should be taken with great care, as these things are hard to see, and we can easily convince ourselves that "we were right all along".

So take care with that: we can always see if the person got the job or not, and see if we got it right. We can?t see if someone was really making gossips.

Best regards

My be traditional astrology is limited.

I still want to know where my ex-neighbour belongs to which house. So far, other information is pointing to Yes he is in contact but I haven't quite hit the bulls eye which is to see His ruler making a contact with ex-neighbour's ruler.

In modern sense, for example, your first husband is 7th house, 2nd husband = 9th house, third husband = 11th etc.
So do you think that's how it goes with the traditional houses? e.g. 3rd house = neighbour, ex-neighbour could be 5th house or Asc?

ancientstars

As it happens that I've just switched on my mobile and there was a message from the witch!!! When I left my old house some months ago I went without saying goodbye because if I told her that I was leaving she would be asking where I was going. I just wanted to disappear to put my bad time in the neighbourhood behind (not that I've done anything wrong.... it's the other way round)

It's freaking me out now
But it's nothing new. She's always picked up on what's going on around me and I've done my best to move very quietly and managed to keep it secret for a few months.

Still seeking help with finding the house and rulership for the sake of learning horary but it looks like I have no choice but cut ties with all.
Ancient battle of witches continues...

ancientstars

@ ancientstars


First of all, thank you for your comment aglaya. I wasn't going to write a full story of my past life to bore you that's why I kept my story short but it looks as though I do need to write a chapter or two to find out where my ex-neighbour belongs to which house.

It's never boring! The more (relevant) informations others get, the more accurate the suggestions and readings will be. Finally, we're all looking for a piece of knowledge here so, having enough informations and being able to see the chart for each question makes it a lot easier to get a better grasp of Horray astrology.

As I stated in my previous post, Mr X is not my ex-bf.

My mistake! (And, yes, "A" would have been a lot better choice. When you write "x", we read it "ex"! )

I haven't had a bf for over ten years! LOL

I think I know what your next horary question might be about!


Yap, i do think you should post that chart, maybe something will pop out to lead us towards what is important but, now that you've revealed the background story, i can't help but thinking of that neighbor-person as of a party you're actually interested in, sort of speaking. That could basically "move" that person into the 7th house. The presence of MrWrong-first-initial does complicate the situation, though.

But, from your story, that ex neighbor seems like an open enemy to me, so we're back to the 7th hose. I'm curious to see what others might say.

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To be honest, if they wanted to have a romantic relationship, good luck to them!


oh, I was just saying hypothetically ! Didn?t think you would understand I was implying they are having an affair !

Didn't I tell you, no matter what you write, this is all we see!


(I just saw my previous post in this topic and one of my recent ones in another and they're FULL of mistakes. ASLO instead of ALSO, VENSU/VENUS, LEAVES/LIVES, TENSNT/TENANT, TUCH/TOUCH...... Oh, my, I believe I'm becoming dislectic )

I would really appreciate if anyone could identify where ex-neighbour belongs to which house.

This thread had become a little more complicated than I expected but I think it needs to be simple. Whatever the motive behind all parties that's not what I am really concerned. At the end of the day that is something subjective which belongs to the modern branch of psychology astrology. I am after if someone in contact or not. It's a fact, yes or no.

Just to re-iterate, Mr X is now Mr A to avoid confusion.

I think Mr A is more important and should remain as 7th house as I initially questioned about him.

By realising if he is in contact with the witch or not, I shall decide whether it is safe for me to continue communicating with him. The witch is just a small part although important.

ancientstars

Could you, please, give us the exact time and place of the question or make a chart using Regiomontanus houses system!