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How do you interpret this?

1 by pankajdubey
Hi All,

A very interesting configuration will take place.

Currently,Venus is applying to a sextile with mars .In ephemeris before this aspect is perfected ,mars moves in to trine saturn and venus ends up opposition to saturn.All of this happens in the same degree and while all the aspects are still in the partile state and within 17 mins of each other.
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Anyone experienced it's effect in practice ?
I am sure this would be common with slower planets.

Cheers

PD

2 by Tanit
I'd think it would depend on the question. It's translation of light of Mars-Saturn, then Venus via Saturn, then back to Mars via Venus. So these sigs in a chart would be transferring their energies back and forth...

3 by pankajdubey
Tanit333 wrote:I'd think it would depend on the question. It's translation of light of Mars-Saturn, then Venus via Saturn, then back to Mars via Venus. So these sigs in a chart would be transferring their energies back and forth...

:)
So,it's an astrological roundabout !!

PD

4 by johannes susato
Tanit333 wrote:I'd think it would depend on the question.
Tanit333 is right, and we can amend his answer (see below the graphic).
pankajdubey wrote:
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Answers could be, if

Question before 8:04
Mars and Saturn significators - Yes, because both significators in applying trigone.

Question before 8:04
Venus and Mars significators - Yes, because Saturn collects the light of both significators

Question after 8:04 and before 8:15
Venus and Saturn significators - (rather) No, because both significators in applying opposition

Question after 8:15 and before 9:05

Venus and Mars significators - Yes, because both in applying sextile

Mars and Saturn significators - Yes, because Venus transferring the light between both

Jonny

5 by pankajdubey
What I was specifically looking for:

I understood the collection to be a bit more complicated and largely when there is no aspect between the two signifactors or a seperating one ;some are more liberal and other talk of friendship or enemity between planets.

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/tobyn2.html

Saturn is retrograde and in fall sign of venus- what happens to the concept of return of virtue in these cases.

Lastly,the interpretation w.r.t the concept of partile and being within planetary disc orbs.

Let us presume the question before 8.04AM and Venus and Mars as signifactors.The main issue is that Venus and Mars don't really need Saturn's help

PD

Answered my own question!

7 by voyagergirl
I see that even though Venus is just minutes from sextiling Mars, the sextile does not become completely exact until Jan. 24. But in the meantime, not only does Mars trine Saturn, it goes on to sextile Uranus and then Venus opposes Saturn after first conjuncting Uranus.

If I were doing a relationship horary with Mars and Venus as the significators, I would read the interposing planets as a frustration that would deny a favorable outcome.

8 by johannes susato
pankajdubey wrote: Let us presume the question before 8.04AM and Venus and Mars as signifactors.The main issue is that Venus and Mars don't really need Saturn's help
pankajdubey,

is the picture in your first question correct, if we forget Uranus?

If yes, then you need in a question before 8:04 Saturn as collector of light. See my posting above. How else can you justify Saturn intervening?

9 by Aphrodite
Just to add to the confusion a little bit more...

Do you take into account the number of degrees to partile between significators at the time of the question, regardless of which aspect will actually perfect first? For example, tonight, the Venus-Mars sextile is 0.12 degrees from being partile but the Mars-Saturn trine is 1 degree short. Has this practice been abandoned now that we can accurately calculate the speed of the planets?

Also, Moon has just entered Capricorn, and when the Mars-Saturn-Venus aspects start separating she will bring them back together. If my calculations are correct, the Moon will translate light from Saturn to Mars and then to Venus, so I believe that everything is not lost for the Mars-Venus sextile, which I tend to agree will not benefit from retrograde Saturn. How successful this translation will be by a besieged and detrimented Moon is another question.

:?

10 by johannes susato
Aphrodite wrote:Just to add to the confusion a little bit more....
I don't see confusion, if you differentiate between the time of the question (and significators, of course). (See my article of Tue Jan 20 above)
Aphrodite wrote:Has this practice been abandoned now that we can accurately calculate the speed of the planets?
Do you think of looking more at the space between the significators than at the time of their perfect conjunction or aspect?
Is't that hellenestic style. Did Lilly mention that? But I really don't kwow, if I understand you quit right.
Aphrodite wrote:Also, Moon has just entered Capricorn, and when the Mars-Saturn-Venus aspects start separating she will bring them back together. If my calculations are correct, the Moon will translate light from Saturn to Mars and then to Venus, so I believe that everything is not lost for the Mars-Venus sextile, which I tend to agree will not benefit from retrograde Saturn.
Isn't the Moon too late? Please give your calculations of the translating Moon, so we can add them to the picture at the beginning of this thread.

11 by Aphrodite
My question about the degrees to partile distance arose after reading voyagergirl?s post, where the Venus-Mars sextile is only minutes from perfect but in the end the aspects to Saturn occur first. Should that be incorporated into the delineation? Is it giving us any information about the situation at the time of the question? It may well be a hellinistic point of view but I find it at least intriguing.

As I wrote in my previous post Moon will apply to these three planets just as the trine-opposition-sextile begin separating, so I don?t think that it would add to the nice list of outcome vs time you made Johannes, since this list stops at the critical 9:05 time point. My whole point with bringing Moon into the picture was that in questions with Venus-Mars significators the matter can still be perfected, depending on the time again, even if you believe, like some of the contributors to this thread, myself included, that retrograde Saturn will not help but will probably harm whatever Venus and Mars are trying to achieve.
However, if you judge Saturn as a supportive collector of light you wouldn?t require the Moon?s testimony anyway. :)
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