Hi All,

Tell me all about this car sale

Will I sell the car to this buyer?
Will the seller get the asking price ?
What is the condition of the car ?
When would it sell and how quickly?

28/02/2009
11.04 AM AEST
Goldcoast,QLD Aus

Taurus 20 deg rises.
Venus in Aries, mutual reception with 4th lord.
2nd lord Mercury in mutual reception with Saturn the 10th lord.

Moon separates from Venus to apply to Mercury.

Believe me this a quiz and not asking for a freebie.
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/cars.html

PD

Pankaj

Is this a chart that you already know the answer ?

If that is not the case, I don?t see the reason to do a "quiz". In any event, every chart in the horary forum is somewhat of a "quiz" because every astrologer can do any horary technique or school that he wants. So we will see several different points of view.

so, even if you do already have the answer, there is no need for a "quiz"... people normally will give their own opinion and the reasons why they reach that conclusion. It is generally a better exercise than just voting "yes/no".

So, unless you have other reasons, I would kindly ask you to follow the protocol and first put your interpretation.

best regards
Yuzuru

Hi Yuzuru,

yes , I know the answer and I will post the answer.

I think the difference between a quiz and a horary discussed is that the quiz already has an answer whereas with the horary the answer may or may not come later.
In short, this horary guarantees an outcome . It is relevant as well because this exact topic has been published on the skyscript Web site(see the link).


PD

Hi PD!

Lets make it simple.

What was the horary question?

Whether a question had been asked? or the person is done with all the thing/transaction or is just asking a horary?

You know the answer. The chart details are for the same date and you are posting it on same date.

Where i see the genuine concern on the part of Querent?

Why dont you post a real question which you asked in the PAST.


About the genuiness of question i would refer to The Martial Art of Astrology by Lee Lehman.

L1 in detriment, slow going Rx in 12th house. Moon in 12th house (whole sign house system). Are you sure that this is genuine horary?

Hi Tariq,

OK! this is the simpler version.

Will I sell this car to the person who is coming to have a look at it?

If yes, at the asking price or not?

Does this horary tell anything about the car itself?

So far it has only gone the caput algol way like fish's question
The question,the querent, the idea are all genuine and with intent.
Maybe,what needs to be looked at is the verity of those considerations which decide the genuineness,because this horary is a fact, whereas, the considerations before judgment are theoretical considerations

PD

Hi PD, I believe you posted this as a "quiz" with a view to test my method. Thanks :-) I'm always eager to test my methods too you see Yuzuru asked you to give your interpretation first, and I too don't see why you haven't done that? What's holding you back? If you have found your horary example interesting enough to share it with us, we all appreciate this, I think, and thanks again, but why not say how you interpreted the chart yourself? I also hope you understand why STJ expresed his concern about the "genuinity" of the question: it was asked and posted on the same date. But Ok, you reassured us that the question was "radical". Now, my interpretation would be such: you are Venus (L1) and the car is the Moon (L3). Moon is still tightly conjunct Venus but separating from her which nicely reflects the fact that the car is still with you at the moment but "separating" from you ie going into another's hands. The buyer is Mars to which the Moon applies by sextile, receiveing him in his home sign therefore the answer to the query would be YES you will sell the car to this buyer. (It's like the car "wants" to go to him.) But before that happens, the Moon sextiles Mercury, showing your getting the money for the car. I'd say that you got what you've asked for, because of the harmonious exchange (sextile) and POF in the 2nd, or that maybe you lowered the price just a little bit (Saturn L10 retro). Condition of the car? Moon is without dignities so the car is not new, maybe needs some mending but I wouldn't say there's something seriously wrong with it. When sell the car? Well it's obviously happened very fast - some 3 hours after the question was asked? Best, Ema.

Yuzuru asked you to give your interpretation first, and I too don't see why you haven't done that? What's holding you back? If you have found your horary example interesting enough to share it with us, we all appreciate this, I think, and thanks again, but why not say how you interpreted the chart yourself?

I think PD wants to do a "mystery chart". Well, all horaries are "mysteries charts" so it is not that different from the usual :-)

So I would ask PD to not forget to put the answer in no more than a week, ok ?

Thanks Ema,

What I was curious about your article was what describes the condition of the goods being sold.If third is the car, then, moon should describe it.In this case, the car was in an accident and had a serious dent to the right front side. It was garaged and off road without a current registration.So, it was literally confined and not allowed to go out .The colour of the car is dark metallic silver- Silver is the colour of moon but mixed and new colour would fit with mercury.
Any ascendant that goes past 20 deg taurus makes me scared . Venus in 12th in Aries and about to go retrograde was one descriptor with ship's analogy, but so could be the seller who was hampered by having such a car !!

Moon separates from Venus to apply to Mercury the 2nd lord.
Is the transaction better shown by Mercury(car) seperating from sextile of venus(seller) to conjunction of Mars(buyer) ??
Venus and mercury are in each others terms which is not surprising;mars in face of mercury which is ok as well because he has just heard of the car and not seen its face yet. Mercury, is in mutual reception with retrograde saturn- 10th lord- the buyers offer.The car should go at the buyer's offer ??

@yuzuru,

Yes, I will post the answer on Monday.I hope the quality will compensate for the quantity


PD

Hi PD, as I said, the Moon without dignities suggested that the car might need some mending. A hole on one side? Nice I mean, don't we have the south node in the 3rd? That explains it, too. Or do you think that POF in the 2nd is a better description of this defect??? According to the Dorothean and Ptolemaic essential dignities score system, the Moon has -(minus) 5 points whereas Mercury (L2) has +6 points, and venus (L1) -1. So, the Moon gets the least number of points. As we know, essential dignities show the "value" or "essential quality" of the thing asked about. That can also explain the fact that the car was not registered. A nice example, thanks! Teaches me to give more consideration to the nodes when they occupy a house representing the thing asked about Ema.

Hi Ema,

It is not that easy.You cannot stop getting me worked up if I want to

Mercury, is the dispositor of POF-the possession(car) goes from Venus(seller) to Mars(buyer) and yes, there is a big hole in money as well-a car brought new now close to the price of the engine.The seller could be too optimistic-venus is detriment but in mutual recpetion by exaltation with 4th lord sun(a bit like keep on imagining).

PD

I see that 'Ema' has no roblem with this horary. So, we can put aside the genuiness or otherwise of horary and accept the question posed by 'PD'. I understood what 'PD' wanted to check, but since i never had any 'Car' horary in my files, so i was not sure what to do with this horary.

First of all. 'PD' what house system should we use? You are the astrologer of this horary. There must be some agreement regarding this (i personally prefer 'Whole Sign') but we do want uniformity in this thread.

This Horary is either

First House (reference might be Lilly and Ayub Taji book)
Second House (reference John Frawley)
Third House (reference Ema-her article)
Fourth House (the system and practise used in my country)

So, which house system should we use?

Hi STJ,

I think you are entitled to differ with Ema on the genuineness of the horary if you have your own reasons.

I have used Regio but you can use any house system.I am inclined towards 2nd but open to 3rd house. 4th house - I am not sure- is this the price asked for or just end of the matter. Lilly uses 10th for whether the price would be good or bad,but, that is for property sale.

Weakest argument of mine was of mutual reception by exaltation of 1st and 4th lords- I am not entirely sure what that means.

Why didn't Lilly buy a motor-car
Horses go to 12th, horse-drawn carriages(in army) to 6th,a car with horse power -where does that go ?? -that is the 21st century question?

PD