Besieged Planets 1 by Tom I was asked to look at the chart of US Senate candidate, Martha Coakely. She will run in January, in a special election, to take the place of the late Senator Edward Kennedy of Massachusetts. Normally this would be considered a slam dunk, since Massachusetts is a heavily Democrat state. But the chart has a few interesting things that indicates a potential fall from grace, so a few of us were asked to look to see if a) that were true and b) if she could be upset in the coming election. While I was looking at the chart two things stuck out and one of them is the partile Saturn-Mars square that holds three planets besieged. The Sun, Mercury and the Moon are the traditional planets besieged. I"m not all that interested in Pluto. I did a little reading on besieged planets and all I find is that they are "evil." But how? My first thought is that they cannot "get out" since they are trapped, but I found no authority that made any statement like that. It may also be noteworthy that Mars and Saturn are in each other's detriment - a so-called "negative mutual reception." It would be a real feather in the cap of someone who could predict her defeat and give sound astrological reasons for it as it would be a major upset. Have at it. Tom Quote Wed Dec 16, 2009 3:08 am
2 by penny seator Hi, Tom, This looks interesting. I can't read the town of birth--Pitsfield?--or the data rating. Will you let us know? With the MC at 0 degrees, I'm particularly curious about the data rating and source. Thanks, Penny Quote Wed Dec 16, 2009 1:33 pm
3 by Tom Hi Penny, Full Data is as follows: July 14, 1953 9:15 PM Pittsfield, MA USA 73 W 14' 45" 42 N 27' 00" 08 Aquarius 08 rises No rating available. The source is private. Tom Quote Wed Dec 16, 2009 1:44 pm
4 by yuzuru Hi, Tom It took me a minute to see why you were calling these planets "besieged" as mars and saturn are partile square... but apparently you are taking all the planets within their 90 degrees as besieged? At least to me, this seem like a very wide "orb" for besiegement. I usually allow a much lesser orb for this, like 15 degrees. I noticed that she was born under an eclipse, and a solar eclipse on 27 capricorn-cancer will happen in january. As she is a public figure, and the eclipse degree will affect her sun, this may be of interest. Best regards, Y Meu blog de astrologia (em portugues) http://yuzuru.wordpress.com My blog of astrology (in english) http://episthemologie.wordpress.com Quote Wed Dec 16, 2009 2:09 pm
5 by Tom The Sun and Moon are in different signs. How could she be born on an eclipse? This definition of "besieged," I believe, is consistent with Bonatti's definition. I was reading Bonatti when I recalled the chart. He allows for a trine to hold besieged planets. I think his point is not that there is a specific "orb" but that the two malefics have to be in aspect, and in this case they are. Thanks for bringing this up. Tom Quote Wed Dec 16, 2009 2:21 pm
6 by yuzuru I mean that there was an eclipse (acc Janus) a few days before. Meu blog de astrologia (em portugues) http://yuzuru.wordpress.com My blog of astrology (in english) http://episthemologie.wordpress.com Quote Wed Dec 16, 2009 2:25 pm
7 by Tom Hi, Yeah I just figured that out after I posted. Sorry about that. Oh by the way, that upcoming eclipse in January hits Tiger Woods' natal Lord ASC Mercury. Tom Quote Wed Dec 16, 2009 2:28 pm
8 by yuzuru It also hits my moon Meu blog de astrologia (em portugues) http://yuzuru.wordpress.com My blog of astrology (in english) http://episthemologie.wordpress.com Quote Wed Dec 16, 2009 2:30 pm
9 by cor scorpii Greetings everyone I think there's a fairly strong mitigating influence at work here that is worth mentioning - according to Valens. Jupiter dominates Saturn in this chart(9th, 10th and 11th sign from another planet were considered as dominant position, especially the 10th) and is thus able to break/mitigate its negative influence; moreover, Jupiter is angular and oriental and has the help of Venus. Quote Wed Dec 16, 2009 5:57 pm
10 by penny seator Tom wrote:[No rating available. The source is private. Tom[/color] Hi, Tom and All, When you say private source for the birth time, Tom, do you know whether the private source got it from a birth certificate? Here's a timeline for Martha Coakley, with no guarantees for complete accuracy. It's from just a few sites on the internet, starting with Wikipedia. Sometimes I?ve put in a particular year when the text says something like ?a year later.? So it could be a little off in that way. I'm going to look at this timeline and the chart to see if it looks like the birthtime is working. If the chart as given can make sense with what has occurred already, maybe it will be possible to see January 19, 2010 and the election. Political elections--as I think maybe John Frawley and probably others have noted--are always tricky because both (or all) contenders are having a pretty extraordinary time, win or lose, and an unusually successful public life at the time. But maybe it will be visible. It would be interesting to see the Republican opponent's chart. Martha Coakley timeline 7/14/1953 born; 3rd of 5 children 1 yr. moved with parents to North Adams late 60s? 70? on the debate team at St. Joseph?s School 6/71 graduated from Drury High School in North Adams; 10th in class 1975 BA cum laude from Williams College; one of the first women admitted there 1978 summer clerked for a law firm in North Adams 1979 JD from Boston Univ. School of Law 1979 -85 associate in law firm in Boston, later at another Boston firm 1986 joined the DA?s office as an Assistant District Attorney in Lowell District Office 1987 invited by US Justice Department to join its Boston Organized Crime Strike Task Force 1989 returned to DA?s Office 1991 appointed Chief of the Child Abuse Prosecution Unit where she prosecuted hundreds of child abuse cases 1993 Coakley?s father died 1995 mother died 1996 brother (younger? older?) who was diagnosed with bipolar disorder, hanged himself 1997 while working for the Middlesex Country DA, Coakley was the lead attorney in the prosecution of the 19-year old au pair Louise Woodward, who was later convicted for the shaking death of 8-month old Matthew Eappen. The case got national and international attention, especially in Great Britain, Woodward?s home. 12/97 resigned from DA?s office to campaign for position as DA in Middlesex County (coming off the successful prosecution of Woodward) 1999-2007 DA for Middle County?includes 54 cities 1999 (or 00?) married Thomas O?Connor, then a Cambridge Police Deputy Superintendent. ? retired Chief of Police of Cambridge, MA? (They live in Medford, MA: no children and 2 dogs?labrador retrievers) 2002? oversaw prosecution of Catholic priests charged with child sexual abuse 2002 established the Adult Sexual Assault Division of the DA?s office some awards: 11/2000 honored by Women?s Bar Association of Massachusetts with an award for contributions to the field of law 2001 successfully lobbied Governor Jane Swift to deny clemency to Gerald Amirault, regarded by some as wrongly convicted of sexual abuse in child day care 2002 President of Mass. DA Ass?n 6/2002 Boston YWCA chose her as a member of its Academy of Women Achievers 2004 received Greater Boston Chamber of Commerce Pinnacle Award 2006 received Eleanor Roosevelt Award from MA Democratic Party 2006 elected Massachusetts Attorney General with 73% of the vote; first woman elected MA AG; second elected to any statewide office in MA 1/17/07 sworn in as AG 1/07 widely quoted in news media re a bogus bomb scare, defended Boston?s emergency services and their handling of the scare which included halting traffic on two bridges over the Charles River 5/07 testified before Mass. State Legislature in support of passage of a ?buffer-zone? law that created a 35-foot buffer around reproductive health facilities. Coakley is Catholic. 7/8/08 US Court of Appeals upheld the buffer zone law, with Coakley (or her office, I didn?t check which) defending it 9/08 worked with Apple and Nat?l Federation for the Blind to get Apple to redesign iTune software to comply with federal and Mass. disability rights laws 11/08 argued and lost a case before the US Supreme Court taking the position on behalf of the State of MA that crime lab technicians should not have to testify in court to defend their findings in drug cases. 1/09 joined six other AG?s in suing the Bush Administration to block the ?conscience clause? that allows health-care providers to refuse to participate in medical procedures to which they object on moral or religious grounds 2/5/09 led an 18 state coalition to urge the Environmental Protection Agency to take action in response to the 2007 U.S. Supreme Court ruling in Massachusetts v. EPA to decide whether it believes that greenhouse gas emissions pose dangers to public health or welfare. 3/26/09 settled the final lawsuit pertaining to the 2006 Big Dig ceiling collapse, litigation inherited from her predecessor. She recovered $600+ million for the State of Mass. 7/8/09 filed a suit that challenges the constitutionality of the Defense of Marriage Act. The suit claims that Congress "overstepped its authority, undermined states' efforts to recognize marriages between same-sex couples, and codified an animus towards gay and lesbian people." Massachusetts is the first state to challenge the legislation. 2009 won settlements of $60 million from Goldman Sachs and $10 million from Fremont Investment & Loan for their abuse of subprime loans and lending. 9/1/09 Coakley was the first candidate to take out nomination papers to run in a special election to succeed the late Edward M. Kennedy in the United States Senate in the special election in 2010. Two days later, on September 3, Coakley officially announced her candidacy on her website. 12/8/09 won the Democratic primary by more than a 20% margin 1/19/10 election day Coakley: --supports a public care insurance option in the health care overhaul --opposes Don?t Ask, Don?t Tell policy that forbids gays and lesbians from serving openly in the military --opposes President Obama?s plan to send more troops to Afghanistan --Coakley was a delegate for Hillary Clinton at the 2008 Democratic Convention. Even after Clinton released her delegates to vote for Obama, Coakley cast her final vote for Clinton --known as advocate for equal rights for all people --known for support of same sex marriage Penny Quote Wed Dec 16, 2009 6:05 pm
11 by Tom Here is what I think is the relevant passage from Bonatti: Sometimes a planet is said to be "besieged": and this comes to be in two ways. By one [way] it is called called [sic] "veneration," and this besieging is said to be in a good part [of the figure] , namely when a planet is between two benefics or their rays, so that it has one benefic (or its rays) in front of it, and one (or its rays) behind it, so that it is separated from one (or its rays), and is joined to the other, (or its rays). A planet is said to be besieged in another way, and this besieging is evil, and in an evil part [of the figure], namely when a planet is between two planets or their rays, namely so that it has one malefic (or its rays) in front of it and the other malefic (or its rays) behind it. page 244-245 Dykes translation I'm reading this as meaning a planet or planets contained within the aspect as they are in this chart. He goes on to say that if the besieged planet is in trine or sextile to a benefic, within 7 degrees, then the besieging is dissolved. In this chart Mercury is sextile Venus so, Mercury is not to be considered besieged in this chart. I note that Bonatti limits his comments to one planet in this section. I'll look at the others to see if he mentions multiple planets between two malefics. Tom Quote Wed Dec 16, 2009 6:08 pm
12 by Tom Hi Penny, When you say private source for the birth time, Tom, do you know whether the private source got it from a birth certificate? I mean I didn't get it from a public source, and because it was private, I'm not giving any more information than that. I wasn't looking for a campaign statement for Martha Coakley either {She favors equal rights for everyone? Her opponent does not? Even if that's correct, it isn't relevant). I was looking for an astrological analysis of her chances of being upset in a very safe state. Upsets make the case for predictive astrology far better than going with the odds. Her resume isn't necessary or desirable. This was about predictive astrology only or I would have brought up the other stuff. Tom Quote Wed Dec 16, 2009 6:16 pm