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Astronomy and Psyche in the Classical World-Nicholas Campion

1 by Mark
An interesting article by Nicholas Campion where he discusses how the soul or psyche linked into classical philosophy on astronomy. The article sets out the ideas of Plato , Aristotle and the founder of Stoicism Zeno of Citium.

Nicholas Campion goes on to discuss how all these philosophical strands were likely to have been an influence on Claudius Ptolemy in his works. :

http://journalofcosmology.com/AncientAstronomy118.html

Mark
As thou conversest with the heavens, so instruct and inform thy minde according to the image of Divinity William Lilly

3 by Mark
If I'm not wrong Antonio da Montulmo compares different souls planes to planets'action.
Hello Margherita,

I will have to take your word about Montulmo. He was heavily influenced by Plato right?

Unfortunately, I wasn't into traditional astrology when Project Hindsight published Montulmo's On the Judgement of Nativities (Part I &II) in the mid 1990's. It looks like he discusses planets as significators of the state of the soul in part II of the Project Hindsight translation of this work.

http://www.projecthindsight.com/archives/medieval.html

On his ARHAT website Robert Hand has been listing a forthcoming publication entitled 'The Complete Montulmo' for literally years but it has never appeared. Equally he also mentions a forthcoming edition of Schoener's Opusculum Astrologicum with expanded commentary. Since I managed to pick up Laurentius Bonincontrius and Liber Hermetis these are probably the main publications I am missing that appeared in the Project Hindsight Latin track. Many of the others (Bonatti, Abu 'Mashar and Omar of Tiberius) have been superceded by Ben Dykes translations. It seems to me with Ben Dykes and James Holden we are now in a fairly good position with translations of Persian and Arabic astrologers. However, many of the most important Latin works from the European medieval or renaissance period remain untranslated or out of print in English (excluding Bonatti).

Mark
As thou conversest with the heavens, so instruct and inform thy minde according to the image of Divinity William Lilly

4 by margherita
Mark wrote: I will have to take your word about Montulmo.


Never trust women, especially Italian ones. :)
He was heavily influenced by Plato right?
Aristotle.
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Unfortunately, I wasn't into traditional astrology when Project Hindsight published Montulmo's On the Judgement of Nativities (Part I &II) in the mid 1990's. It looks like he discusses planets as significators of the state of the soul in part II of the Project Hindsight translation of this work.
"The qualities of the soul" is the most important chapter of Ptolemy (and his commentators) together with the one about directions. They are the longer and more detailed ones.
On his ARHAT website Robert Hand has been listing a forthcoming publication entitled 'The Complete Montulmo' for literally years but it has never appeared. Equally he also mentions a forthcoming edition of Schoener's Opusculum Astrologicum with expanded commentary.
Very good news. I will surely buy- at least one of them. Likely Montulmo.

Renaissance authors, as you know I believe, are my favourite ones. Medieval ones are too much far from Cieloeterra method :)

margherita
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5 by Mark
Mark Wrote:
He was heavily influenced by Plato right?
Margherita wrote:
Aristotle.
Well I was close. Just another one of those dead Greek guys right? :wink:


Margherita wrote:
Very good news. I will surely buy- at least one of them. Likely Montulmo.
Dont start celebrating yet. At some point yes. However, that message has been up on the Arhat website for a very long time.

Margherita wrote:
Renaissance authors, as you know I believe, are my favourite ones.
Hard to disagree. Especially as so few of them are translated into English. :( It would be great to be able to read astrologers like Gaurico , Junctinus , Campanella, Argoli , Magini and of course Cardano! Do you think the preponderance of Italians in this period might be influencing you ever so slightly? :wink: :)

Mark wrote:
Medieval ones are too much far from Cieloeterra method
We simply cannot have that! What did they think they were up to? :shock:

Mark
As thou conversest with the heavens, so instruct and inform thy minde according to the image of Divinity William Lilly

6 by Olivia
Mark wrote:Mark Wrote:
He was heavily influenced by Plato right?
Margherita wrote:
Aristotle.
Well I was close. Just another one of those dead Greek guys right? :wink:
No, there's a definite difference. Aristotle is the one who gives you either migraines or suicidal ideations, depending on how long you stare at his stuff :P

Possibly this is why they include Plato in first-year philosophy courses. Much, much, easier to take.

Though Rob Hand has, in bits and pieces, made Aristotle a lot more palatable. Still - not an easy read. Ben might have done some audio lectures on Aristotelean philosophy as well. Check his web site. I need to do that, too.

I still haven't seen an 'Aristotle for Dummies' book. But it would really help students of astrology were there one.

Point of trivia that maybe isn't: Aristotle was a biologist. He's also vital to understanding how traditional astrology works.

I don't know of any Montulmo in print in English, but Schoener's work on the Judgement of Nativities (at least the first oversize 300 pages or so of it) is still around, and he does wax philosophic in many places.

11 by Olivia
I know. Hanukkah has just begun (it's an interesting holiday in that it's based on having to have a new moon as part of it - one of the things forbidden by the Greeks was for Jews to be able to look at the moon because that times many of our religious festivals, so one of the things we celebrate is getting back our monthly blessing of the new moon).

In case you hadn't noticed, there are quite a number of books over at abebooks sold by Book Depository - those folks with the free international shipping. Including Book 23 of Astrologia Gallica, Oscar Hoffman's latest on medical astrology, and Ben's new ITA.

But I needed more books anyway. Yeah. Right. Sure.

Thank you for the link, though - I did grab the Aristitle, too.

12 by Tom
I'm going to plug ABE books, and note I have no connection to them other than as a customer. ABE is a clearing house for bookstores that do business through the mail (as well as traditional walk-in stores. You order through ABE, they send the order to the store, who in turn sends the book to the customer.

I've ordered several books this way, all advertised as used and all, i.e. 100%, of the books I've received are in better condition than I expected. Two books sold to me as "used" were in fact, brand new. They cracked when opened.

One time there was a small shipping issue. I paid for expedited shipping and the book was sent a different way, slower although I was charged for the faster service. I wrote to the bookseller who immediately credited my sale and gave me a discount coupon on top of that. All I wanted was the amount adjusted.

I've found astrology as well as other books available. If you're in the rare book market, they cover that, too.

I've had no problems dealing with ABE and those associated with them. They are a great resource.
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