Eddy wrote:Below on the right in the Wikipedia link, it is related with 17 september, the Constitution Day http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constituti ... ed_States) from 1787 when the US Constitution was signed. Perhaps there's a known hour for this signing event. Maybe this moment could be used as a kind of solar return chart. Yet this could mean that the exact return of the Sun to its original place occurred somewhere in the night. If no exact time is to be found, this could serve as an alternative.

zoidsoft wrote:Someone said that it really started on the 14th though.

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  What is signature for protests such as Wall St. Protests??? Could it be Sun Mercury or Mercury and Mars see the CSI, Ebertin. Please give few suggestions or references you have for ?Demonstrations and or Protest movements?. Thank you
  
  I present a Septar chart using U.S. Sibley chart with 6Sg48 rising. See Dave the book store man web article http://www.astroamerica.com/mundane.html#m77
  
  When clicking link above you may have to scroll up a bit to read what Mr. Dave wrote.
  
  I will only present Septar chart not smaller division charts to save space and not over complicate. For each division I list date n times in case you want to draw up chart. A suggestion, read charts from Sign taking over rulership not the calculated Asc.. So if drawing up a chart when Aquarius took over a smaller division Sc Ar Aq Sept 11,2011 09:26:26 GMT read chart from Aquarius whole sign house. You are familiar with this reading PoF ala Valens.
  
  What houses to use. Help me... Various references lead me to take 8H, others money, that is Wall St dealing in others money, lot of various monies in 8H. Other 8H words, humiliation, sorrow, frustrations, worries. The latter four words come from the demonstrators all experiencing a little of each. So 8H looks like a good choice. Other house meanings to consider when reading the hand overs at each division, 11H Greed with involvement of politicians. 11H Stock exchange as an organization apart from its activities. Mercury rules 11th and 8th whole sign house.
  
  In Septar chart I decided my key is 8H Gemini and or its ruler Mercury. Mercury in Cancer with Sun in Sqr to Mars. This means, either Gemini or Cancer, Mercurys position, should be on 10H days around event. In previous examples this occurred every time. Otherwise if significator falls in any of the remaining active places 1, 4, 7H it should not disappoint.
  
  Of course, none of this would be that easy to predict ahead of time - but closer scrutiny of Septar always seem to put me in the ball park and in my seat. .
  
  The Septar for Sibley chart is dated July 5 1809 3:58:13 with 27 Scorpio rising. See chart above.
  
  Move around the wheel in clockwise motion from Asc Sign to Aries 6H working classes, unions, nursing. One of first union groups to join demonstration was a group of Nurses from Boston area?? Aries rules seven month period from Aug 6, 2011 02:04:05 GMT to Mar 3, 2012 11:43:20 GMT. The rulers from Aug 6, 2011 Sc Ar.
  
  Now divide the time during Aries 7 month period. In Aries period each sign rules for 17.5 degrees solar movement. Again, handing over goes in clockwise motion in this example. Move to Sept 11, 2011 09:26:26 GMT when Aquarius took over the 17.5 degree period in Aries seventh month period. Sun moved to 168 18 47 or 18+ Virgo in real time.The rulers from Sept 11, 2011 Sc Ar Aq.
  
  Aqu rules to Sept 29, 2011 so we know demonstration took place during Sc Ar Aq period. Aqu 4th whole sign house in main Septar chart, the people according to Carter. Aqu is 11H from Aries, Greed. So with Aries we have working classes labour and with Aqu greed. 8H from Aqu is, Virgo, 11H in main Septar ruled by significator Mercury. Again 11H greed one of the key words from demonstration.
  
  During Aqu period of 17.5 degrees, it distributes the time to each sign every 1d27m29.9s Solar movement. Move around the wheel to Libra. Libra took over the smallest division Sept 17, 2011 09:15:06 GMT to Sept 18, 2011 21:07:47 GMT The rulers from Sept 17, 2011 Sc Ar Aq Li.
  
  Reading chart from Aqu, Libra is 9H. 9H a place to educate or mould public opinion, agitators, sorrow through loss of ones profession. 9H is 12H to 10H is how to read sorrow through loss of ones profession. Scorpio 10H from Aqu.
  
  Libra becomes Asc sign in smallest division. Cancer now 10H from Libra. Cancer place of Mercury one of keys I gave earlier. Again, in this example like others before, the significator is on 10th in the division when event took place. Then see the CSI Sun Mer Mars all in aspect. The will to fight life?s battles and so on.
  
  In Septar chart Sun goes to Mercury who goes to Mars. Or one might say Mercury is besieged by Sun and Mars. Each one leave an imprint on the other, a give n take with focal point, Mercury, the flexible problem solver. Mercury receives a goal, sense of purpose from Sun who, is the ego moving toward flexibility.
  
  Mercury going to Mars seeks qualities of Mars. Must be careful to avoid being combative overly aggressive, instead, steadfast. Mars must become flexible and other positive Mercurial qualities and not waver - a Mercury quality- as Mercury hands over his qualities to Mars.
  
  A non astrological thought, I think the group has been infiltrated by news media who, very early, FOX among the worst, calling these folks a bunch of crack pots - that they planted among the group. See Mars handing over to Uranus below. More astro: Mercury leaning towards Mars who reaches back to take the baton from Mercury who, seeks to build something new.
  
  To further extend besiegement, Sun to Mercury to Mars. Mars, hands baton over to Uranus. Mars now becomes focal point, in the middle. This sparked me to believe - intuition - but with little astro to - the group is infiltrated by traitors put in place by far right media -hoping for violence - or that want to paint group as far left crack pots and collection of Odd Balls.
  
  I would not put anything past U.S. Media, especially FOX. Send in traitors dressed like hippies, walk around dazed and confused as if on LSD to eventually bring down this potentially powerful demonstration so it fade away into the Sun Set.
  
  I am also certain that if Fox could get away with it, they would comment, stress, that not every one in group appears to be American. I have heard few folks speak with non American accent.
  
  Good old Multiculturalism. The powers that be gave us MC and slyly began indoctrinating us to accept it, bull... do not accept it. Why, because if you really knew what MC means you would .... oh well, but if you understand it, you begin to understand why this very little group has received so much negative attention and Must be put down.
  
  Remember while reading the astrological factors involved for demonstrators this also applies to the response of authorities. Any idea what MC stands for??? Of course you know, it is a very old term but now in new clothes.
  
  Mars to Uranus can assert themselves in abrupt unpredictable manner, seen by others as, ODD..... 5th paragraph above.
  
  Multiculturalism is the new code word for, Divide and Conquer. If those being divided and conquered unite, the Fat Cats slogan becomes, Houston, we have a problem. Hence the quick use of force.
  
  Infiltrated or not, Mercury to Mars must be handled with care. At the same time Mercury Uranus besieging Mars can lead to ingenious ways of accomplishing what they set out to do. They must remain flexible, give n take, patience, words Mars does not like, is the name of the game.
  
  Also apply this to entire Septar and it is possible to see reverse of any positive working on say, The Hill.... Sun Mer Mars all rulers of angular positions in chart. Everyone wants to be a Star or the boss, no give n take, do it my way or else. Sun ruler of Leo the 10th whole Sign. Mercury ruler of Virgo 11H but with power of the Meridian. Mars ruler of Scorpio rising. Finally, Saturn rising says it all about the finances of the U.S., and general feeling of the people during this seven year period. It shows the hopelessness of the people, who do we turn to now???
  Hope I made no typos on dates times above and that Septar divisions were not confusing. Michael