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Below an excerpt from Facets of fate on Saturn MC. It certainly doesnt fit the queen,who as Saturn out of sect.She remains the most respected member of the Royal family:

But if Saturn is out of sect, or in debility with affliction, then the native finds itdifficult to get ahead and be successful because in darkness it is difficult to organize your priorities inattaining the summit. According to Paulus: "..it will produce those who become dysfunctional,unsuccessful at acquiring property, unable to get ahead, slothful, ill-wedded, with few children, andpoor...". [49] I might add that it likely produces a mistrust of authority because it would be difficult forthe native to see any reasoning in their actions being overpowered by the darkness of Saturn. Often theactions of the native are unjust because the native cannot see clearly the right path because of ignorance,and for the same reasons. In the charts of those who are eminent, it indicates the decay of their empireunder their rule, through bad policy, corruption, and lack of justice. This was the case in Hitlers chart,where Saturn was in Leo in the MC and the lord (the Sun) was setting. Compare this with what Valenssaid 2 paragraphs above."

Note also that in Rob Hands book on WSH he mentions the chart of King Edward as an example of WSH. Apparently the MC in 12th place is responsible for him having to wait a long time to be king.
Prince Charles has none of that yet he keeps waiting.His MC is in 9th ruler in Sagitarius in 5th. This is odd cause it should make him popular abroad but thats not what I normally hear

Good evening,

As mentioned on some prior occasions, methinks it nearly impossible and not recommendable to astrologically judge a matter based on a single factor out of context. Ha?r?sis or sect is one such factor. Often, for example, the placements of planets in the confines and configurations with fixed stars are ignored.

During the Mediaeval period, the notion of 'Al-Mubtazz', applied in Hellenistic astrology as Kurios, 'ruler of the nativity', normally the planet with the greatest number of essential dignities over the degree of the Ascendant, was extended to the 'cusps' of places or, as it were, to any 'point'. This, obviously, added another layer of complexity to delineation, the efficiency of which is still subject to controversy.

Best regards,

lihin

lihin wrote:Often, for example, the placements of planets in the confines and configurations with fixed stars are ignored.

lihin

lihin,

this reminds me of your dwarf planet thread.. a question is raised over how many considerations/points/fixed stars one wants to include on a chart? does one include the position of fixed stars, and if so - how many does one include? if you think adding dwarf planets is a bugaboo, just think of how much silliness could be gotten off any number of additional fixed stars?

Good morning,

OFF TOPIC

Since the topic of this thread is sect, i shall reply only briefly.

When using a tropical zodiac, northern or southern hemisphere, delineation of at least bright fixed stars near the ecliptic is in my humble opinion most highly recommended as such a zodiac is by definition detached from their positions that proceed (advance) in respect of the equinoxes and solstices. Klaudios Ptolomaios discussed the power of the fixed stars as comparable to planetary qualities in Tetrabiblos, Book I, Section 9 before Season, Angles, Signs and planetary Dignities.

Indeed, if one attempts to include all fixed stars visible to unaided human sight including those far from the ecliptic, invisible from the geographic place of the event, with several kinds of aspects, measured by perpendiculars to the ecliptic, by right ascension and by paranatellonta, one easily risks yet another reductio ad absurdum.

Best regards,

lihin

PS One of the most useful metaphors for astrology in my humble experience is the theatre with actresses and actors, centre, left and right stages, etc. Centre stage corresponds to the ecliptic band.