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Hellenistic, Medieval & Renaissance astrologers Hall of
Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2023 3:17 pm
by Dima Gur
Hellenistic, Medieval & Renaissance astrologers Hall of Fame
The title of the thread is a bit tongue in cheek, but I'm truly interested to know your opinion about the best, most influential, the 'must reads' of Hellenistic astrology, Medieval Astrology (both Islamic-Arab-Persian and European) and Renaissance astrology.
The most often cited hall of fame for Hellenistic astrology consists of:
Dorotheus, Valens, Ptolemy, Firmicus and Rhetorius.
(*) my impression at least
About the medieval hall of fame, I'm pretty certain it should consist of:
Bonatti, Abu Mashar and Sahl
Maybe also:
Mashallah, Schöner, Ibn-Ezra, Al-Biruni and Al-Qabisi.
In terms of Renaissance astrologers:
Lilly and Morin probably.
Maybe Culpeper in the medical field.
Anyone else, who didn't come to mind?
Would love to hear your thoughts.
Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2023 5:38 pm
by james_m
hi dima
my impression conforms with yours.. i can't think of anyone you are missing.. the list looks pretty good... but alas - i am not a scholar!
Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2023 6:52 pm
by Ouranos
Hellenistic period,
Hermes Trismegistus
Asclepius
Nechepso
Petosiris
Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2023 7:28 pm
by Dima Gur
James M:
Thanks, appreciated.
Maybe also Paulus and Antiochus in the Hellenistic section.
Not sure about Manilius as his material is rather unorthodox, even relative to the Hellenistic scene.
Ouranos:
If we'd had those texts / manuscripts, that would be lovely, but as far as I can tell we don't.
Maybe the Hermes Trismegistus text, but I'm not sure if it may be a psuedo-Hermes from a later century (remember something like that).
Any other forum members?
I'm especially interested to hear about medieval astrology authorship otherwise not mentioned here.
Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2023 1:15 pm
by janegca
I believe Abu Bakr and Umar al-Tabari (Omar of Tiberius) were two Medieval astrologers from Persia who were often quoted in the Renaissance, esp by Bonatti
Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2023 7:01 pm
by Dima Gur
Jane:
Thanks so much for participating.
Omar of Tiberius is Umar Al Tabari - Missed that one.
So basically, Persian Nativities II by Dykes...
Wasn't aware that Abu Bakr was a major figure in the Islamic astrologers scene.
Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2023 7:09 pm
by Martin Gansten
Dima Gur wrote:Wasn't aware that Abu Bakr was a major figure in the Islamic astrologers scene.
Major enough to have influenced the eastward transmission as well:
https://doi.org/10.1163/25425552-12340005
Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:25 pm
by Dima Gur
Martin, that's interesting.
Do we know which traditional astrologers had the biggest influence on Jyotish?
Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2023 9:02 am
by Martin Gansten
Dima Gur wrote:Martin, that's interesting.
Do we know which traditional astrologers had the biggest influence on Jyotish?
With regard to T??jika (Perso-Arabic-style astrology), yes, at least some of them. They are discussed in that paper; Sahl ibn Bishr was the most influential. But as for the earlier forms of astrology in India, no.
Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2023 9:41 am
by Ouranos
As for the earlier form of astrology in India (Perso-style), I can cite one...
M??rtin ibn G??nstena
Little is known on his origins but he migrated North after selling all his cows. Quote 'They are big and lazy and slow-moving, but at least they’re clean.'
