Universal significators
Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 6:10 pm
I was reading a post here on skyscript that discussed mundane events, and one part of it dealt with universal significators.
I.e, Mercury for transportation. I can see where the use of Mercury to transports, as planet of messengers, comes from, but Abu Mashar uses the Moon, not Mercury.
Still, through out astrological literature there are a lot of associations that seems rather odd, as for example, Lilly using signs, by their secondary movement order from Aries ahead, as co-significators for houses 1, 2, 3... and then, a Lot related on Al-Biruni's book page 67 of R. Ramsay Wright translation, 'Book of Instruction in the Elements in the Art of Astrology' that states the Death of Brothers should be calculated as follows:
My doubt steams from the usage of universal significators, which for some matters is quite clearly repeated in tradition, but for others, not so much. The other day, I was trying to calculate an almuten for siblings, and I was doing such in this manner:
Part of brothers + ruler of part of brothers + cusp of 3rd house + ruler of 3rd house + planets in 3rd house. The final touch would be a universal significator for brothers, and in this part I got really confused, and was not able to determine a planet fit. If it was for marriage of men, it would be easier, as I would just have to join Venus and Moon to the calculation.
So, when there's doubt there are several approaches we could take, i.e, the caldaic planet assigned to 3rd, Mars (supported by Frawley), the Moon as the 3rd is her joy, Jupiter, that seems to relate to brothers through it's arabic part, or even Mercury, natural significator for children (and why is Mercury for children, not Venus?). So, I could not decide.
The same is true of friends, should we use the Sun (caldaic) or Jupiter (joy)? What about diseases, to Hermes this should be taken from Mars and Saturn arc (on it's arabic part) but some ancient authorities, as Al Biruni explains, uses Mercury to Mars arc (why those two, because Mercury has it's joy in the 1st, and Mars on 6th?).
What about when the planet has no joy in said house, like 10th, do we take the caldaic planet or use the one that has analogy to it (Sun, as MC is it's culmination)? And if we use caldaic significators, what of Saturn, that would then have autority over life itself!?
Or should we be looking at other criterias/analogies for a planet to be fit as universal significators? Colors, synodic cycles?
Right now, some of significations I use for the 12th houses:
1st (Life) - Lot of Fortune, Hyleg
2nd (Property) - Jupiter
3rd (Siblings/journeys) - Moon (?)
4th (Father) - Sun by day, Saturn by night
5th (Children) - Mercury (?)
6th (Diseases) - Mars (?) Mercury (?)
7th (Marriage) - Moon and Venus to men, Sun and Saturn to women
8th (Death) - Out of sect malefic
9th (Religion/journeys) - Here, Jupiter is prefered for religion, but journeys seems related to Mercury/Moon both on 3rd and 9th house matters
10th (Mother/rise) - Sun and Moon has natural analogy to the matter of this house, Lot of Spirit (??). Moon and Venus to mothers.
11th - ?
12th - Saturn (?) Mars (???)
I welcome opinions and quotes
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I.e, Mercury for transportation. I can see where the use of Mercury to transports, as planet of messengers, comes from, but Abu Mashar uses the Moon, not Mercury.
Still, through out astrological literature there are a lot of associations that seems rather odd, as for example, Lilly using signs, by their secondary movement order from Aries ahead, as co-significators for houses 1, 2, 3... and then, a Lot related on Al-Biruni's book page 67 of R. Ramsay Wright translation, 'Book of Instruction in the Elements in the Art of Astrology' that states the Death of Brothers should be calculated as follows:
At first, these may invite modern aproaches like sign = houses... = rulers, but the reason behind this 'lot' and analogies can be other than the apparent at first sight (for example, Gemini is the 12th from Cancer, domicile of Moon, which have it's joy on 3rd). Anyway, the discussion from this is not the reason for this topic as of now... although I welcome opinions in this regard.Asc + 10 Gemini - Sun
My doubt steams from the usage of universal significators, which for some matters is quite clearly repeated in tradition, but for others, not so much. The other day, I was trying to calculate an almuten for siblings, and I was doing such in this manner:
Part of brothers + ruler of part of brothers + cusp of 3rd house + ruler of 3rd house + planets in 3rd house. The final touch would be a universal significator for brothers, and in this part I got really confused, and was not able to determine a planet fit. If it was for marriage of men, it would be easier, as I would just have to join Venus and Moon to the calculation.
So, when there's doubt there are several approaches we could take, i.e, the caldaic planet assigned to 3rd, Mars (supported by Frawley), the Moon as the 3rd is her joy, Jupiter, that seems to relate to brothers through it's arabic part, or even Mercury, natural significator for children (and why is Mercury for children, not Venus?). So, I could not decide.
The same is true of friends, should we use the Sun (caldaic) or Jupiter (joy)? What about diseases, to Hermes this should be taken from Mars and Saturn arc (on it's arabic part) but some ancient authorities, as Al Biruni explains, uses Mercury to Mars arc (why those two, because Mercury has it's joy in the 1st, and Mars on 6th?).
What about when the planet has no joy in said house, like 10th, do we take the caldaic planet or use the one that has analogy to it (Sun, as MC is it's culmination)? And if we use caldaic significators, what of Saturn, that would then have autority over life itself!?
Or should we be looking at other criterias/analogies for a planet to be fit as universal significators? Colors, synodic cycles?
Right now, some of significations I use for the 12th houses:
1st (Life) - Lot of Fortune, Hyleg
2nd (Property) - Jupiter
3rd (Siblings/journeys) - Moon (?)
4th (Father) - Sun by day, Saturn by night
5th (Children) - Mercury (?)
6th (Diseases) - Mars (?) Mercury (?)
7th (Marriage) - Moon and Venus to men, Sun and Saturn to women
8th (Death) - Out of sect malefic
9th (Religion/journeys) - Here, Jupiter is prefered for religion, but journeys seems related to Mercury/Moon both on 3rd and 9th house matters
10th (Mother/rise) - Sun and Moon has natural analogy to the matter of this house, Lot of Spirit (??). Moon and Venus to mothers.
11th - ?
12th - Saturn (?) Mars (???)
I welcome opinions and quotes